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Favorite Red Angus older would be King Rob followed by a close Buf Crk Cherokee Canyon. INHO both are very well-rounded (in traits and structure) and sired fantastic females. Sure like the bw's and growth of that Major League for the future.

I didn't want to limit to one breed. Who do you like in ANY breed? What specifically do you like?
 
I'll have a go at this. We are commercial cow calf operators. We raise horned herefords. All purebred - but unregistered. In this part of the world we believe they are an excellent breed despite the ever present worry / prejudice from "outside folks" that horns are dangerous. They tend to be somewhat more massive "in general" - yes there are exceptions.

We do not raise them so we can have a red and white herd. We look for good out cross genetics in order to cross breed our cows for the meat market. Generally speaking we find the cross always does better than the straight animal. So our red and whites are docile, easy keepers - mature cows generally weigh in at 15-1600 pounds - actual scale weights - that can handle the cold. They are not coddled - winter outside all temps and conditions, in the bush, hay and mineral with some corn - no bedding. We are now ruthless cullers.

We usually cross our mature cows to high birth weight angus bulls that will provide a larger calf with good growth characteristics. This means the cows will usually have had at least two calves before we start them on this program.

We are considering a simmental or charlois bull for the next season. Simply because we have not tried them in the past. If we do make this cross, the first crop will all go down the road - we will then see what kind of final performance we ended up with - money in the bank. If it is in the positive side, we may continue. If it is not we will go back to the old standard.

So - old girls get a bull with large calves that show heavy growth. EPD stuff is not high on the list - we tend to look at the animal standing in the field - and then look at his MOM. If they are both what we like, we try him out. It has worked for us in the past. Mind you we have very good relations with several other local breeders and one out of Alberta that we work hand in hand with. Their "stories" have always been bang on the money and their animals have always been true to the breeder story. If they say "that bull is not for you" - we listen to them. If they say they have one we might be interested in - we usually go and look.

Deep chests, strong legs, good feet, smooth shoulders and meaty butts - works for us. Very unscientific.

Regards

Bez
 
We look for a bull with NUTTS, BUTTS, & GUTTS with a clean front shoulder & preferably a clean neck.
We have been breeding Simmental cattle AI for 30 years (until 2004, we used our own bull for some natural matings & AI some also to him)
For a past popular bull I think HC Power Drive is hard to beat, but his semen is no longer readily available. Our bull is a PD son & we have two heifers getting ready to calf. They are awesome. We see many PD daughters & sone that we have admired, but the proof is when your own cows will raise great ones.
Current new bull on the rise is Dream On, an ABS bull. We have seen several offspring - loaded with gutts & muscle with clean front end. Will produce reds or blacks (heterozygous Black) and reds are getting more popular again. Good numbers also - calving ease, adequate growth, great maternal & carcass We will be trying him this year.
Future - well, maybe Simme Valley Macho As U 8)
 
Since we performance test our bulls and sell most of them through the test sale, we look for bulls with proven performance. That's the start of the search for a satisfactory bull. Bull sales are also a good place to talk to other breeders about the bulls they're using and I pay a lot of attention to which bulls certain breeders are using; less attention to others. I liked the old Angus bull Scotch Cap, the first carcass bull, good mommas, some frame. Pierre (GDAR Rito 596LT), wonderful udders, good fleshing, moderate framed. EXT was the first bull that I saw dominate bull testing stations across the US. He was remarkable. We used him for his sons, but I think he'll be remembered for his daughters, wonderful udders, stong maternal traits, adequate muscling, fertile. Today we're using some younger bulls. TC Foreman doesn't have the accuracies that I like yet, but I have seen several sons both on test. Buyers seem to like him, too. And we jumped on the New Level bandwagon. Though I haven't seen any sons on test, he comes from a long line of performance tested animals, plus he's a New Deisgn 036 grandson. And we're still using 036, 602C, and EXT.
 
Bez":300rel7k said:
We are considering a simmental or charlois bull for the next season. Simply because we have not tried them in the past. If we do make this cross, the first crop will all go down the road - we will then see what kind of final performance we ended up with - money in the bank. If it is in the positive side, we may continue. If it is not we will go back to the old standard



Regards

Bez

Bez I have seen some awesome Simmental sired calves out of half Hereford/Simmental cows . A lot of guys here bred up to purebred Simmental from a Hereford base
 
In Simmentals it would be Signal for "yesterday".. some of my first cows were progeny, and they are great momma's milk fantastic, and are easy keepers. For today it would have to be Black Joker.. the number one AI bull in the Simmental breed today (my herd bull is also a son :) ) and for tomorrow.. hmmm.. I'm interested to see some Westfall Crossfire calves.

In Brahmans there's no question.. JK Sugar Crata was a great bull.. I've never seen a sibling out of him that I didn't like, and they have an awesome disposition as well. TD West 270 for today.. I'm still trying to find a good female out of him. Don't know about tomorrow.. but I'll know more after Houston. :cboy:
 
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frenchie":20e6eegs said:
Bez":20e6eegs said:
We are considering a simmental or charlois bull for the next season.

Bez I have seen some awesome Simmental sired calves out of half Hereford/Simmental cows . A lot of guys here bred up to purebred Simmental from a Hereford base

Yep Frenchie, I agree, my crossbred herd is a hereford base. Most were the polled cows that I didn't like and refused to register calves out of. I could never seem to find the right herf mating for them. Went with the simmy cleanup one year and it was a match made in heaven. The only thing better than a polled herf and a simmy bull is a horned herf and a simmy bull. IMHO go with the simmy Bez. I like the red baldies with the pigment, but we used a black bull that had a herf mamma last year and have a real nice red baldy and an even nicer balck one. Half the fun of cross breeding is trying to guess what color the calf will be.
 
TheBullLady said:
In Simmentals it would be Signal for "yesterday".. some of my first cows were progeny, and they are great momma's milk fantastic, and are easy keepers. For today it would have to be Black Joker.. the number one AI bull in the Simmental breed today (my herd bull is also a son :) ) and for tomorrow.. hmmm.. I'm interested to see some Westfall Crossfire calves.

I agree that Signal was a great bull. I've been tempted to buy a little Signal semen again to breed to a couple cows just to see how his progeny compare to today's top bulls.
 
We've used angus for quite a good while now... The better share of our herd is HIGH % angus cross. We've used Traveler, Dateline, Lucy Boy, Oscar, Stepahead, and Ext bloodlines and can tell you good and bad about all of them... Traveler is what we've liked the most, then Dateline has good growth, capacity, and depth, Lucy Boy produces great looking females and we've had minimal problems with temperment from him, Oscar had a ton of growth but the daughters don't look as good. Stepahead has HORRIBLE udders, and EXT was just plain goofy. Haven't really messed with any charolais or red angus bloolines for quite a while so can't give any insight there.
 
UG":2bd0l4lp said:
TheBullLady":2bd0l4lp said:
In Simmentals it would be Signal for "yesterday".. some of my first cows were progeny, and they are great momma's milk fantastic, and are easy keepers. For today it would have to be Black Joker.. the number one AI bull in the Simmental breed today (my herd bull is also a son :) ) and for tomorrow.. hmmm.. I'm interested to see some Westfall Crossfire calves.

I agree that Signal was a great bull. I've been tempted to buy a little Signal semen again to breed to a couple cows just to see how his progeny compare to today's top bulls.

I had the good fortune to visit with Signal many years ago. He was the only bull in the stud that they had to use a mount cow for. The others would all mount steers. One day I stopped by the stud and the collection area was a disaster. The pipes that they had around the edges so that you could be safe and the bulls in the ring, were all bent almost to the ground. Turned out they had collected a couple of bulls and had brought Signal in the collect. They had left the steer in the collection chute instead of bringing in a cow. Signal went totally nuts and just about destroyed the place. I thouht it was kind of funny, the folks at the stud weren't amused.

dun
 
dun":28igl2d0 said:
UG":28igl2d0 said:
TheBullLady":28igl2d0 said:
In Simmentals it would be Signal for "yesterday".. some of my first cows were progeny, and they are great momma's milk fantastic, and are easy keepers. For today it would have to be Black Joker.. the number one AI bull in the Simmental breed today (my herd bull is also a son :) ) and for tomorrow.. hmmm.. I'm interested to see some Westfall Crossfire calves.

I agree that Signal was a great bull. I've been tempted to buy a little Signal semen again to breed to a couple cows just to see how his progeny compare to today's top bulls.

I had the good fortune to visit with Signal many years ago. He was the only bull in the stud that they had to use a mount cow for. The others would all mount steers. One day I stopped by the stud and the collection area was a disaster. The pipes that they had around the edges so that you could be safe and the bulls in the ring, were all bent almost to the ground. Turned out they had collected a couple of bulls and had brought Signal in the collect. They had left the steer in the collection chute instead of bringing in a cow. Signal went totally nuts and just about destroyed the place. I thouht it was kind of funny, the folks at the stud weren't amused.

dun

I guess Signal just doesn't swing that way and didn't take to kindly to the implication. :cboy:
 

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