I dunno for sure how to get a good stand started, but I can definitely tell you how not to. Planting them in bales definitely doesn't work (DeWalt 18V cordless drill. Sold the bales to the neighbor and halfway through winter he brought it over asking if it was part of the deal. I know at least three ratchets with 1/2 sockets have been baled, but no luck on the SnapOn tree). Putting them through conditioning rolls before planting also doesn't work. And having the PTO hurl them into shop walls doesn't crack them enough to make seed....