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Family: Octuplets' mother has 6 other children

















WHITTIER, Calif. (AP) - The woman who gave birth to octuplets this week has six other children and never expected to have eight more when she took fertility treatment, her mother said.

Angela Suleman said her daughter expects a big challenge raising 14 children. The good news, she said, is all the babies appear healthy.

"I looked at those babies. They are so tiny and so beautiful," Suleman told The Los Angeles Times on Thursday.

Suleman's daughter gave birth to the octuplets Monday at a hospital in Bellflower but has requested that doctors keep her name confidential. Media knew little about the woman until a family acquaintance told CBS'"The Early Show" on Thursday that the mother is "fairly young" and lives with her parents and her six children.


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Within hours, media had camped out at the family's home in Whittier, where the babies' grandfather pulled up in a minivan in the evening and briefly spoke to The Associated Press. Beside him were two children - a 7-year-old and 6-year-old - who said they were excited to have eight new siblings.

But the grandfather warned that media may have a tougher time finding the family after the babies are released from the hospital.

"We have a huge house, not here," said the man, who would only identify himself as Ed. "You are never going to know where it is."

The mother also has two children, ages 5 and 3, and 2-year-old twins, neighbors told the Times.

Suleman said her daughter had embryos implanted last year, and after finding out she was pregnant with multiple babies was given the option by doctors of selectively reducing the number of embryos. The woman declined.

"What do you suggest she should have done? She refused to have them killed," Suleman told the Times. "That is a very painful thing."

Dr. Harold Henry said the woman was already pregnant when she came to Kaiser Permanente Bellflower Medical Center, and she was counseled about the risks of her pregnancy and on the option of aborting some of the fetuses. Doctors had been expecting only seven babies, but an eighth was born in the cesarean delivery.

The six boys and two girls, the second octuplets born alive in the United States, have garnered worldwide attention as media have attempted to find out more about the mother and her family. Hours after media gathered outside the Whittier home, Kaiser issued a statement on behalf of the mother requesting privacy.

"Please know, in our own time, we will share additional details about this miraculous experience," the statement read. "The babies continue to grow strong everyday and make good progress. My family and I are ecstatic about all of their arrivals. Needless to say the eighth was a surprise to us all, but a blessing as well."

Dr. Mandhir Gupta said seven of the babies were breathing without assistance. One was still receiving oxygen through a tube in his nose.

Seven of the infants were being tube-fed donated breast milk. One of the boys was expected to begin feedings Friday.

All babies continued to receive an intravenous nutritional combination. They were expected to remain in the hospital for several more weeks.

Some fertility specialists have said the children face increased health risks because they are octuplets and born nine weeks premature. At birth, they ranged between 1 pound, 8 ounces and 3 pounds, 4 ounces.

Doctors say they advise against higher-order births, but acknowledge the decision is not theirs to make.

"Who am I to say that six is the limit?" said Dr. Jeffrey Steinberg, medical director of Fertility Institutes, which has clinics in Los Angeles, Las Vegas and New York City. "There are people who like to have big families."

Dr. James Grifo, professor of obstetrics and gynecology at the NYU School of Medicine, added: "I don't think it's our job to tell them how many babies they're allowed to have. I am not a policeman for reproduction in the United States. My role is to educate patients."
 
OMG! She's not even married????

Okay, this may get me into hot water, but I think that unmarried women should be counseled against this sort of thing. I think these doctors do this things just to see if they can. After all, they get their names in the papers and it drums up more business from people who are desperate for children.

My next question is, is she on welfare? She already has six children and she's single, so unless she or her parents are wealthy, my bet is that she's on public assistance. And think of the cost of this birth and the care the children will have to have in the weeks, months, years???

There are people who compulsively collect things; magazines, dogs, cats, you see them on the news when someone finally turns them in. I think there are some people who collect children in the same manner. The foster parents with 15 special needs children, and now this. It isn't mentall healthy, in my view.

I'm not knocking single parents, I have been one myself. I sure didn't want to get pregnant when I was a single mom. I certainly would not have gone out and sought the opportunity.
 
She can probably get $10K per month welfare! Word is she is going to try for TeraTuplets next year to try to get a welfare raise (double).
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Its none of my business, I guess. I just seriously wonder about people who choose to do this sort of thing. I question whether or not they really know what they are getting themselves into. Lord knows it was hard enough just bringing one baby home. Two is stretching things, and hats off the the parents of twins. Three is beyond my scope of imagination. Anything past three and you really have to either have a lot of help or have your head examined.
 
I'm thinking that when a woman on public assistance has a baby, they try to get her to name the father and go after him for support. In a case like this, if she's on public assistance, I'm not opposed to going after the doctor who gave her fertility treatment.
 
I have twins as the result of a fertility drug given to ex-wife. Clomid? I talked to my brother in law who is MD and he warned me. I was 22 at the time they were born.
 
Lammie":35qznlbg said:
OMG! She's not even married????

Okay, this may get me into hot water, but I think that unmarried women should be counseled against this sort of thing. I think these doctors do this things just to see if they can. After all, they get their names in the papers and it drums up more business from people who are desperate for children.

My next question is, is she on welfare? She already has six children and she's single, so unless she or her parents are wealthy, my bet is that she's on public assistance. And think of the cost of this birth and the care the children will have to have in the weeks, months, years???

There are people who compulsively collect things; magazines, dogs, cats, you see them on the news when someone finally turns them in. I think there are some people who collect children in the same manner. The foster parents with 15 special needs children, and now this. It isn't mentall healthy, in my view.

I'm not knocking single parents, I have been one myself. I sure didn't want to get pregnant when I was a single mom. I certainly would not have gone out and sought the opportunity.

When I first heard about this, I thought it was along the lines of a couple who had tried and tried to have kids, and used fertility drugs to have the 8 they had. When I read this arcticle, I just thought-WHAT? 6 other kids all under the age of 6 years old, and now 8 more-plus no husband, that is just NUTS!

I wonder how and why her parents could or would ever think this was a great idea for her to take fertility drugs and choose to have all these children. The whole thing is just very strange.

GMN
 
Watching the vid, it looks as though she gave birth in a Kaiser Permanente hospital which is an HMO, and a good one, (I had that for a while, covers everything), after she had gone to a clinic and become pregnant. Once there, they presented her with her choices and she chose to keep all the babies.

That tells me two things: she has insurance from some source and that she had the money to pay to go to a clinic for invitro, which I understand, is very expensive.

So she's got money from somewhere.

Now, my question about her mental health comes into play. Honestly, six children, why would she want to become pregnant again, especially under those circumstances?

I think that there is an ethical question involved for that clinic, as well. I should think that the ethical thing to do would have been to counsel this lady not to become pregnant again, given that she already has a houseful, and then refuse to serve her, if need be.

I wonder how many other clinics she went to before she found that one?
 
My first thought after seeing she already has 6, is young and healthy, and her parents are trying to keep things secretive, -- maybe a surrogate situation?
 
That more than likely would never happen here ,if you have children already you will not get fertility drugs unless you have maybe one or two and wish for more, also you have to be trying for a long time as a MARRIED couple before they are given to you. If you do IVF you are aloud to keep three viable embryos after implantation the others will be terminated..

I am sure all of you in the USA are p@ssed to see your tax dollars at work, especially in the economic times like now..


The doctor should go to jail for prescribing the fertility drugs for her...
 
john250":y0hh8vg7 said:
Life imitates "The Simpsons".
http://www.thesimpsons.com/episode_guide/1107.htm

"Eight Misbehavin"
1107 BABF03
Original Airdate: 11/21/99

Apu and his wife decide to have a baby. With the help of fertility drugs, their attempts to conceive prove successful--very successful: Nine months later, Manjula gives birth to octuplets.

Who do you think the sponsors were?
 
Jogeephus":3by64b02 said:
john250":3by64b02 said:
Life imitates "The Simpsons".
http://www.thesimpsons.com/episode_guide/1107.htm

"Eight Misbehavin"
1107 BABF03
Original Airdate: 11/21/99

Apu and his wife decide to have a baby. With the help of fertility drugs, their attempts to conceive prove successful--very successful: Nine months later, Manjula gives birth to octuplets.

Who do you think the sponsors were?

Procter and Gamble is well positioned in this market. I think they sell most everything you need to raise a kid. Or, Johnson and Johnson.
Lumber biz could benefit when they add on to the house.
I cannot imagine eight. I love kids, but....
 
AND THE STORY CONTINUES:





Grandma: Octuplets mom obsessed with having kids













LOS ANGELES (AP) - The woman who gave birth to octuplets this week conceived all 14 of her children through in vitro fertilization, is not married and has been obsessed with having children since she was a teenager, her mother said.

Angela Suleman told The Associated Press she was not supportive when her daughter, Nadya Suleman, decided to have more embryos implanted last year.

"It can't go on any longer," she said in a phone interview Friday. "She's got six children and no husband. I was brought up the traditional way. I firmly believe in marriage. But she didn't want to get married."

Nadya Suleman, 33, gave birth Monday in nearby Bellflower. She was expected to remain in the hospital for at least a few more days, and her newborns for at least a month.


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A spokeswoman at Kaiser Permanente Bellflower Medical Center said the babies were doing well and seven were breathing unassisted.

While her daughter recovers, Angela Suleman is taking care of the other six children, ages 2 through 7, at the family home in Whittier, about 15 miles east of downtown Los Angeles.

She said she warned her daughter that when she gets home from the hospital, "I'm going to be gone."

Angela Suleman said her daughter always had trouble conceiving and underwent in vitro fertilization treatments because her fallopian tubes are "plugged up."

There were frozen embryos left over after her previous pregnancies and her daughter didn't want them destroyed, so she decided to have more children.

Her mother and doctors have said the woman was told she had the option to abort some of the embryos and, later, the fetuses. She refused.

Her mother said she does not believe her daughter will have any more children.

"She doesn't have any more (frozen embryos), so it's over now," she said. "It has to be."

Nadya Suleman wanted to have children since she was a teenager, "but luckily she couldn't," her mother said.

"Instead of becoming a kindergarten teacher or something, she started having them, but not the normal way," he mother said.

Her daughter's obsession with children caused Angela Suleman considerable stress, so she sought help from a psychologist, who told her to order her daughter out of the house.

"Maybe she wouldn't have had so many kids then, but she is a grown woman," Angela Suleman said. "I feel responsible and I didn't want to throw her out."

Yolanda Garcia, 49, of Whittier, said she helped care for Nadya Suleman's autistic son three years ago.

"From what I could tell back then, she was pretty happy with herself, saying she liked having kids and she wanted 12 kids in all," Garcia told the Long Beach Press-Telegram.

"She told me that all of her kids were through in vitro, and I said 'Gosh, how can you afford that and go to school at the same time?"' she added. "And she said it's because she got paid for it."

Garcia said she did not ask for details.

Nadya Suleman holds a 2006 degree in child and adolescent development from California State University, Fullerton, and as late as last spring she was studying for a master's degree in counseling, college spokeswoman Paula Selleck told the Press-Telegram.

Her fertility doctor has not been identified. Her mother told the Los Angeles Times all the children came from the same sperm donor but she declined to identify him.

Birth certificates reviewed by The Associated Press identify a David Solomon as the father for the four oldest children. Certificates for the other children were not immediately available.

The news that the octuplets' mother already had six children sparked an ethical debate. Some medical experts were disturbed to hear that she was offered fertility treatment, and troubled by the possibility that she was implanted with so many embryos.

Others worried that she would be overwhelmed trying to raise so many children and would end up relying on public support.

The eight babies - six boys and two girls - were delivered by Cesarean section weighing between 1 pound, 8 ounces and 3 pounds, 4 ounces. Forty-six physicians and staff assisted in the deliveries.
 
Who the h@ll is the doctor and clinic that performed this BS they should all go to jail and lose their licenses indefinitely.

Where the f is the money coming from for IVF ...It is outrageous to have it done, $15000.00 per session here and I am told it is $20000.00 a session in the states..Not to mention the cost to freeze and store embryos.. :roll:

I think some serious investigating needs to go into how this family makes their money..
 
I think some serious investigation needs to be made as to her mental status. Plus, I would like to know if she can provide those children adequate care. I hope this opens up an ethical debate.

I think that the state child welfare services needs to keep a close eye on her. I hate to say it, but we have not even begun to hear the last on this.
 
I agree with Lammie. This woman seems dumber than a post. How she got to have the IVF done beats me, they shouldn't of allowed it.
 

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