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Not an easy answer middle ground here. A couple things, and these are just facts, no blame on anyone. Cattle have been domesticated and have largely lost their instinct and/or knowledge to avoid/combat predators such as wolves. They do have some instinct, but its just a little bit. This little bit is about the equivalent of a little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing. This little bit might actually make for the cattle being an easier lunch. They certainly can't compete with wild prey in avoidance abilities. Cattle let their calves stray a whole lot further from their mothers than wild prey animals, which make cattle easier prey.

Often individual coyotes become problem animals and can be effectively eliminated. It's said if you have coyotes but your livestock isn't harassed, don't kill the coyotes. Coyotes that ARE a problem will then move in. The wolves pose a bit of the same problem, but much mo ore complex. They aren't a single animal, and they are protected

A takings permit can be sought and utilized to target specific animals, but this is an entire pack. The question I have is this: Is there one or two animals (Possibly even the alphas) that are 'leading' this cattle slaughter? If so, could they be permitted and eliminated and possibly lessen the problem? Also, and I honestly don't know, What level of protection would guard animals offer if any if they could be present with the cattle?
 
Not an easy answer middle ground here. A couple things, and these are just facts, no blame on anyone. Cattle have been domesticated and have largely lost their instinct and/or knowledge to avoid/combat predators such as wolves. They do have some instinct, but its just a little bit. This little bit is about the equivalent of a little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing. This little bit might actually make for the cattle being an easier lunch. They certainly can't compete with wild prey in avoidance abilities. Cattle let their calves stray a whole lot further from their mothers than wild prey animals, which make cattle easier prey.

Often individual coyotes become problem animals and can be effectively eliminated. It's said if you have coyotes but your livestock isn't harassed, don't kill the coyotes. Coyotes that ARE a problem will then move in. The wolves pose a bit of the same problem, but much mo ore complex. They aren't a single animal, and they are protected

A takings permit can be sought and utilized to target specific animals, but this is an entire pack. The question I have is this: Is there one or two animals (Possibly even the alphas) that are 'leading' this cattle slaughter? If so, could they be permitted and eliminated and possibly lessen the problem? Also, and I honestly don't know, What level of protection would guard animals offer if any if they could be present with the cattle?
You really have no idea how predators work do you?
 
We are short over 560 cattle to predators since spring of 2003 when grizzlies started to increase in populations, The wolves help things along. Thankfully we are allowed to protect our livestock with lethal means.
That's a terrible number of losses regardless of the size of your outfit, it's good that you can at least legally try protect your livestock.
 
Here you can legally shoot a wolf if it is caught harassing your livestock. Of course the problem is actually catching them in the act. No collar no problem. A collared one might need some cattle running around the carcass. West of here the rules change. One of the north south roads is the line. Either Hwy 97 or 395 is the line I forget which one. West of that line you are better off shooting a person than a wolf (well except a homeless person, they are protected in western Oregon). They will issue a kill permit but the mountain of requirements make it difficult at best. And then they won't take out the alpha pair. They will pay for the critter once they prove beyond a shadow of doubt that it was killed by a wolf. But it will take about a year to get your check.
 
I could see where you might be tempted to have cattle with horns and an attitude...
Which will do no good. Grizzlies and wolves pull down bull moose and elk which have bigger horns and more attitude than any cow. It will just make it tougher on the rancher when they need to work their cows. Ranchers in Idaho where they have lots of wolves say that one of the issues is the cows will no longer work with dogs. Instead of moving off they stand and fight.
 
Not an easy answer middle ground here. A couple things, and these are just facts, no blame on anyone. Cattle have been domesticated and have largely lost their instinct and/or knowledge to avoid/combat predators such as wolves. They do have some instinct, but its just a little bit. This little bit is about the equivalent of a little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing. This little bit might actually make for the cattle being an easier lunch. They certainly can't compete with wild prey in avoidance abilities. Cattle let their calves stray a whole lot further from their mothers than wild prey animals, which make cattle easier prey.

Often individual coyotes become problem animals and can be effectively eliminated. It's said if you have coyotes but your livestock isn't harassed, don't kill the coyotes. Coyotes that ARE a problem will then move in. The wolves pose a bit of the same problem, but much mo ore complex. They aren't a single animal, and they are protected

A takings permit can be sought and utilized to target specific animals, but this is an entire pack. The question I have is this: Is there one or two animals (Possibly even the alphas) that are 'leading' this cattle slaughter? If so, could they be permitted and eliminated and possibly lessen the problem? Also, and I honestly don't know, What level of protection would guard animals offer if any if they could be present with the cattle?
Speaking of coyotes, they put me out of the sheep business in the 2000 decade. I tried everything from electric fence down low on the perimeter fences, guard dogs, llama, donkeys. Each worked for a while until it didn't. Donkeys were probably the best as long as they stayed with the sheep, but during a drought they went more with the cattle to further places in the pasture and left the sheep vulnerable.
Coyotes can be problems with cattle too especially with newborn calves.
Our cows are fairly protective now and haven't had coyote issues with calves for several years. That said coyotes even the so called good coyotes are all opportunistic predators who will trail the herd and if they see a chance for an easy meal they will absolutely try to take it.
The so called good ones just haven't caused any noticeable problems yet, until they do.
Maternal instinct is one thing against a lone coyote. A cow that is up and attentive of her calf can fend off a coyote, If there happens to be more than one then there is a possibility of the cow being distracted by one or more and another coyote attacking a calf in the process.
The situation with wolves and grizzly bears is very different. Larger predators and in the case of wolves multiple large predators.
Watch sone Wild Kingdom reruns, large predators especially groups of them can take down some pretty formidable prey animals that are not domesticated in the least.
We currently have a mammoth Jenny and I also like to keep one or more Brahman or longhorn type cows as some of them can be pretty good at keeping watch and chasing off coyotes.
 
People have poisoned and shot wolves in Oregon and the government posts $50,000 rewards for info leading to arrest.

No takers, crickets . . . ..
 
Round here most of the time the shooter runs his mouth at the local watering hole. Before you know it the feds are knocking on their door.

Or the ones with collars send out a mortality signal and they trace their movements backwards.
 

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