Which liquid feed is better

[MtnCows93]

Locally to me I can get a couple different kinds of liquid feeds, I'm needing something to supplement cows on low protein and low tdn hay. I can get a 38% protein mo mix i believe its called and 1 or 2% fat. And I can get mix 30 which is 16% protein 10% fat. Im not sure which one i should use but I feel like the high fat in mix 30 will really help the energy in my cows. This hay I'm gonna feed is 6% protein and 42% tdn

 

[Warren Allison]

Protein is for growth and muscling,. Carbs are for weight gain and marbling. What kind of cattle are you feeding? Steers to sell? To butcher? Bred cows or cows with calves? Heifers you are growing for replacements? Bulls for breeding?

 

[mwj]

Talk to the people that are using it. The biggest problem is regulating consumption to meet your needs and this is usually controlled by your local dealer.

 

[SBMF 2015]

Locally to me I can get a couple different kinds of liquid feeds, I'm needing something to supplement cows on low protein and low tdn hay. I can get a 38% protein mo mix i believe it’s called and 1 or 2% fat. And I can get mix 30 which is 16% protein 10% fat. Im not sure which one i should use but I feel like the high fat in mix 30 will really help the energy in my cows. This hay I'm gonna feed is 6% protein and 42% tdn

I used to use QLF then I switched feed dealers. Last year we fed Mix 30. Once we got past the initial “something new “ intake seemed pretty consistent.
I was satisfied with the results.

 

[Brute 23]

Definitely Google protein vs fat for beef cattle. A lot of people chase protein when it's fat that provides body condition, milk, and reproduction benefits for momma cows. I think it has a lot to do with protein being cheap vs fat. I'm sure your mixes reflect that price difference.

 

[farmerjan]

Anything with that high protein... 38% .... will have alot of urea... that is mostly passed through the animal and not well utilized... something with 16% protein and higher fat would serve you much better overall... JUST MY OPINION.....

 

[kenny thomas]

Im no expert by any means but when i was younger i coon hunted 6 or 7 noghts a week. Yes i fed a high protein dog food but made sure it was high fat also. They preformed great even in very cold weather.

 

[MtnCows93]

Protein is for growth and muscling,. Carbs are for weight gain and marbling. What kind of cattle are you feeding? Steers to sell? To butcher? Bred cows or cows with calves? Heifers you are growing for replacements? Bulls for breeding?

bred cows and pairs

 

[MtnCows93]

Definitely Google protein vs fat for beef cattle. A lot of people chase protein when it's fat that provides body condition, milk, and reproduction benefits for momma cows. I think it has a lot to do with protein being cheap vs fat. I'm sure your mixes reflect that price difference.

that's what I was thinking. and the mix 30 is about 30% cheaper

 

[Brute 23]

that's what I was thinking. and the mix 30 is about 30% cheaper

Thats interesting. Mix 30 is usually one of the more expensive liquid feeds.

 

[Warren Allison]

bred cows and pairs

How many? Looks like between the two, the 16-10 is the way to go. If they even need any at all.

 

[kenny thomas]

How many? Looks like between the two, the 16-10 is the way to go. If they even need any at all.

If his hay tested 6% protein and 42% tdn yes he is correct in the fact that he will need suppliment.

 

[MtnCows93]

If his hay tested 6% protein and 42% tdn yes he is correct in the fact that he will need suppliment.

yes sir I took your advice and had it tested

 

[Warren Allison]

If his hay tested 6% protein and 42% tdn yes he is correct in the fact that he will need suppliment.

Depends on how many, what kind of cows, what kind of pasture and how many acres of it. But, if he has nursing cows with calves on them. then you are right: Won't be a bad idea at all. And he ought to make sure he has mineral salt readily accessable for them.

 

[Travlr]

Protein is for growth and muscling,. Carbs are for weight gain and marbling. What kind of cattle are you feeding? Steers to sell? To butcher? Bred cows or cows with calves? Heifers you are growing for replacements? Bulls for breeding?

Protein/heavy minerals is also for setting up your breeding cattle for producing male offspring, and carbs/low minerals will set them up for a higher percentage of heifers.

 

[mwj]

I have found that you can not ''starve'' a profit out of livestock. I have found you can profit from feeding what they ''need'' instead of what they want. It is best when you test your feed to see what your livestock needs.

 

[Allenw]

My seat of the pants math says they'll need 3 to 5 lbs of the 16% mix 30 per day to meet their protein needs.

 

[StrojanHerefords]

The problem with nutritional analysis is that it can’t tell you how much hay or grass a cow is going to eat. A few years ago I took some forage samples from three areas of a pasture. One where I fertilized, one where I didn’t fertilize and one where the cows wouldn’t eat. To my surprise, the tdn and protein of all three samples was basically the same. The only difference was between the good grass and the bad grass was that the cows would eat enough of the good grass to keep going.
My recommendations would be maximize the amount of hay the cows will eat. I would grind the hay with a pound per head day of the 38% liquid feed. The urea will help break down the lignin further.

 

[kenny thomas]

Im not sure they can eat enough of 6% hay thats only 42tdn(total digestable nutrients) to stay in a decent condition throughout the winter. Someone correct me and tell me what a cow will have to eat to make it good.

 

[MtnCows93]

Protein/heavy minerals is also for setting up your breeding cattle for producing male offspring, and carbs/low minerals will set them up for a higher percentage of heifers.

I really didn't know that! I do keep out good minerals year round