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By Alan Newport

If ever there was a time cattle buyers would be forced to take what they could get, it was during the past two or three years. However, it seems the buyers didn't see it that way.
A study of 105,542 cattle passing through 15 Arkansas sale barns in 2005 shows, when the chips were down and supplies were tight, cattle buyers still did the equivalent of picking cherries and throwing out the bad apples.
"When supplies are tight and prices are high, a lot of people have the perception discounts narrow or even disappear. We found that wasn't true," says Tom Troxel, University of Arkansas Extension beef cattle specialist.
Troxel, the project's lead researcher, says a similar study of year 2000, when supplies weren't nearly as tight, showed nearly identical pricing patterns for most traits buyers esteem or eschew.

Muscle matters
Muscle thickness is a prime example, Troxel says. Cattle buyers paid an even larger premium for No.-1 muscled cattle in 2005 — $2.58/cwt. — than in 2000, when they only paid 2¢ above average. The average price was $118.32 in 2005, $92.91 in 2000.
Buyers discounted cattle with No.-2 muscling by $2/cwt. below average in 2005, and paid statistically the same discounts for No.-3 and -4 cattle as five years earlier, when there was a more bountiful supply. These trends held true regardless of calf size.
Specifically, buyers discounted No. 2s by $9/cwt. in 2000, and $8.70 in 2005. In 2000, they hit No.-3 and -4 cattle with respective discounts of $21.32 and $33.82, when compared with No.-1 cattle. Last year, they discounted No.-3 cattle by $22.62, and No.-4 cattle by $32.98.
Arkansas calf producers apparently heeded the warnings from the last study against thin-muscled cattle, plus the drubbing they were taking in the markets, and selected against them, the researchers note. Fewer light-muscled cattle passed through the markets in 2005.


Frame score continued to be important to buyers, but preferences changed a bit since 2000. For one, discounts on small cattle increased from an average of $18.52/cwt. to $20.96/cwt.But buyers actually paid a 36¢ premium for medium-framed cattle in 2005, nearly $1/cwt. more than in 2000.
 
I suspect that "small frame" really means fat little toad, ie less than 3 frame.

Large probably means 8 or larger, and medium is everything in between.

I've been to a few graded calf sales and that is generally what I have observed.

They don't call them large or small until it is very obvious that they are real oddballs.

There is about 400 pounds of finish weight difference that they aren't accounting for when they say "medium frame" then, isn't there?

I think they really have to be out of line to suffer the "small frame" discount. It's too bad they didn't include the breakdown of how many cattle fall into each category.

Badlands
 
I have been told by a few different feedlots that they consider frames under 5 to be small, 5 to 6 medium, and over that to be large. Don't know if that is accurate to the article, but it is what I have been told.
 
Actually I believe they are talking about USDA feeder calf grades. That grading system is badly in need of modernization.

Roughly a USDA Small is a steer who should be FINISHED at less than a 1000 lbs. IF a steer finishes at his moma's mature weight we are talking about sub 1000 pound cows. VERY roughly a USDA Small is a frame score 1 or 2 TOAD. Most THICK frame 2 cows weigh a 1000 pounds in good condition.

A USDA Medium is a steer who should be finished at between 1000 and 1200 pounds. Very roughly frame 3 and 4.

USDA Large is a steer who finishes at anything above 1200 pounds; thus 'LARGE' is roughly frame 5 and UP.

http://www.ag.ndsu.edu/pubs/ansci/beef/as1043w.htm
 
BRG,

I think you consort with these feedlot guys too much. ;-)

So, frames generally run from 1 - 9. But anything under 5 is small, only 5 and 6 are medium, and anything over 6 is large?

Does that make any sense?

Badlands
 
I think 1 to 4 are smurfs, 4 and 5 are small 5.5 to 6.5 are perfect while 7's are big, and larger cattle are moose. :D But everyone has their own opinion.

I like to know what our customers want.(the feeders), so I visit with as many of them as much as I can and try to pick their brains to learn as much possible.

I know my bull customers like the 6 frame bulls, because this is what they buy from me year after year, and pay the most money for. I have been told many times by them, that is what they like and want, as long as they have the body and muscle to go with it. Then to go along with it, these guys buying this type of bull are also the guys receiving top dollor for their replacement heifers at auction.
 
BRG":nf11x1e3 said:
I think 1 to 4 are smurfs, 4 and 5 are small 5.5 to 6.5 are perfect while 7's are big, and larger cattle are moose. :D But everyone has their own opinion.

I like to know what our customers want.(the feeders), so I visit with as many of them as much as I can and try to pick their brains to learn as much possible.

I know my bull customers like the 6 frame bulls, because this is what they buy from me year after year, and pay the most money for. I have been told many times by them, that is what they like and want, as long as they have the body and muscle to go with it. Then to go along with it, these guys buying this type of bull are also the guys receiving top dollor for their replacement heifers at auction.

We all could define Small, Medium, and Large differently; but with feeder calves USDA has already defined those terms for us so that we all have a common vocabulary. A "small 2" in a USDA market report is a little belt buckle style calf with average to a little lite muscling. A "medium 3" looks something like a Jersey. A "large 1" could be Mike's biggest thickest Charolais or just a moderate framed Angus with a decent butt....there is no way to know which. Instead of using USDA's terms, when you are not actually using the same definition you could use Little, normal, and big and then define that anyway you want.
 

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