Vegan/Animal Rights Propaganda

[CowboyRam]

The reason they don't is probably because they are afraid they may rock the boat, and upset all those animal activist. You know how it goes, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. I thing we have a major problem with most of the Colleges and Universities.

 

[Travlr]

I've been looking around on Texas A&M website. I don't see a lot of useless courses here.
https://aglifesciences.tamu.edu/departments/
Why doesn't everybody contact your nearest ag university and 'contact us' ? Ask them what they are doing to counteract the bad press propaganda surounding agriculture.

That... is a great suggestion.

 

[Travlr]

The reason they don't is probably because they are afraid they may rock the boat, and upset all those animal activist. You know how it goes, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. I thing we have a major problem with most of the Colleges and Universities.

And we have to remember that urban people with no real life knowledge of agriculture are by far the majority. If we stay silent they will have no other sources of information than what they get from propaganda "documentaries".

 

[wbvs58]

What peeves me are adds on TV, one for some skin care creams/lotions I think called Botanica. A woman in a put on voice floating around in a loose sexy dress says they contribute to WWF with each purchase so by buying their product you are saving the planet and all the animals. It is very easy fund raising for these activists, manufactures are very keen to pay the money so they can show the support on their labels to attract the sales from the masses thinking they are saving the planet by buying the product.

Ken

 

[CowboyRam]

I wonder what these anti animal agriculture people think is going to happen to all the livestock once and if we stopped eating beef and such. Most likely the will all be turned out to fend for themselves. For awhile the numbers will be out of control; kind of like the wild horses. They think they are saving them, but in reality a bunch will starve once the vegetation is eaten off. Not many predators can take down a cow.

 

[RDFF]

The reason they don't is probably because they are afraid they may rock the boat, and upset all those animal activist. You know how it goes, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. I thing we have a major problem with most of the Colleges and Universities.

Follow the money... who do they get their research dollars from? Without the research dollars, there's no college. Professors don't get paid, classes don't get offered. If you as a big corporation "donate" several hundred thousand dollars or more to a "research college", and then you want to get your product tested, with a hoped for "favorable review"... what do you think will be the result? Most of these kind of studies are ANYTHING BUT fair, independent and without bias. Most of the time, it's like being a good lawyer... you never ask a question that you don't already know the answer to it.

 

[Travlr]

One of the other claims I hear from vegan/animal rights advocates is that animals in the wild live longer...

And that's easy to believe... until you think about it.

Most animals that die in the wild are killed by predators at a very young age, or succumb to weather or disease before they are mature. Most animals don't live long enough to reach sexual maturity. In any stable population, only enough animals survive to sexual maturity to replace older animals that die.

Nature is brutal to young animals. It isn't unusual for a duck to hatch out a clutch of a dozen or more eggs, and within a week all the baby ducks are gone. Feral horses on open range lose about fifty percent of their foals within the first year.

Under human care the average age of animals going to slaughter is far later than the average for similar species in the wild. And breeding animals live longer as an average too.

 

[RDFF]

One of the other claims I hear from vegan/animal rights advocates is that animals in the wild live longer...

And that's easy to believe... until you think about it.

Most animals that die in the wild are killed by predators at a very young age, or succumb to weather or disease before they are mature. Most animals don't live long enough to reach sexual maturity. In any stable population, only enough animals survive to sexual maturity to replace older animals that die.

Nature is brutal to young animals. It isn't unusual for a duck to hatch out a clutch of a dozen or more eggs, and within a week all the baby ducks are gone. Feral horses on open range lose about fifty percent of their foals within the first year.

Under human care the average age of animals going to slaughter is far later than the average for similar species in the wild. And breeding animals live longer as an average too.

Ah, but Travlr, you're forgetting that the form of death in the wild is always according to a much more "humane" protocol...................:rolleyes:

 

[Travlr]

Ah, but Travlr, you're forgetting that the form of death in the wild is always according to a much more "humane" protocol...................:rolleyes:

Yeah... eating them alive starting with the guts...

 

[wbvs58]

I do believe that all animals, humans included have a built in mechanism where pain no longer is felt when they are defeated and death is imminent.

Ken

 

[Travlr]

I just heard something that should give a lot of vegans pause. Whenever I picture a bunch of vegans gathering for a meeting where they will be discussing their best methods of stretching the truth, or avoiding the impression that they are spreading misinformation... I picture them all sipping on a glass of wine.

I just found out that wine is not vegan. But I'd bet they either don't know it, or they are ignoring the fact.

Most wine is made using a clarifying agent made with the chitin shells of crustaceans.

Well I don't know about anyone else... but I'm horrified. (sarcasm)

One more round to use in the war against the anti-meat agenda.

 

[Stonewall Joe]

I just heard something that should give a lot of vegans pause. Whenever I picture a bunch of vegans gathering for a meeting where they will be discussing their best methods of stretching the truth, or avoiding the impression that they are spreading misinformation... I picture them all sipping on a glass of wine.

I just found out that wine is not vegan. But I'd bet they either don't know it, or they are ignoring the fact.

Most wine is made using a clarifying agent made with the chitin shells of crustaceans.

Well I don't know about anyone else... but I'm horrified. (sarcasm)

One more round to use in the war against the anti-meat agenda.

Thank you for that tidbit of news, I know one self righteous little f,,,,,, I will be happy to inform of that next week. Happy New Year!!

 

[greybeard]

How do ya pronounce chitin? slowly........

 

[Silver]

I just heard something that should give a lot of vegans pause. Whenever I picture a bunch of vegans gathering for a meeting where they will be discussing their best methods of stretching the truth, or avoiding the impression that they are spreading misinformation... I picture them all sipping on a glass of wine.

I just found out that wine is not vegan. But I'd bet they either don't know it, or they are ignoring the fact.

Most wine is made using a clarifying agent made with the chitin shells of crustaceans.

Well I don't know about anyone else... but I'm horrified. (sarcasm)

One more round to use in the war against the anti-meat agenda.

I have a brother-in-law that is vegan. We got into a discussion about it one time while out for supper with family. He was telling me how precious all life was and all the other usual talking points of the willfully uninformed. I asked him if he really thought more animals died in the production of my steak dinner than his vegan dinner. He of course claimed that no animals died for his meal. His response when I explained the sheath and destruction wreaked upon animals in the growing and harvesting and many other stages of production of his meal was "oh, well that's collateral damage so that's acceptable". They don't think like us.

 

[Travlr]

I have a brother-in-law that is vegan. We got into a discussion about it one time while out for supper with family. He was telling me how precious all life was and all the other usual talking points of the willfully uninformed. I asked him if he really thought more animals died in the production of my steak dinner than his vegan dinner. He of course claimed that no animals died for his meal. His response when I explained the sheath and destruction wreaked upon animals in the growing and harvesting and many other stages of production of his meal was "oh, well that's collateral damage so that's acceptable". They don't think like us.

I've run the numbers.

For 600 pounds of nutrition, a beef on grass "costs" one life and the pasture provides habitat for a wildlife population. For 600 pounds of cabbage grown as a monocrop which destroys all habitat for wild animals, a single spray for an infestation of flea beetles will kill upwards of 60,000 animals.

It actually saves more animals to eat meat from animals that provide many more calories/portions.

 

[RDFF]

I've run the numbers.

For 600 pounds of nutrition, a beef on grass "costs" one life and the pasture provides habitat for a wildlife population. For 600 pounds of cabbage grown as a monocrop which destroys all habitat for wild animals, a single spray for an infestation of flea beetles will kill upwards of 60,000 animals.

It actually saves more animals to eat meat from animals that provide many more calories/portions.

OK Trav, BUT... if your beef on grass is on healthy soil, how many healthy microbes had to die to create that healthy soil that created that healthy grass, that generated that nutritious 600 pounds of beef.... :unsure: There's a hole in the bottom of the sea..., there's a hole in the bottom of the sea..., there's a ho....

 

[Travlr]

OK Trav, BUT... if your beef on grass is on healthy soil, how many healthy microbes had to die to create that healthy soil that created that healthy grass, that generated that nutritious 600 pounds of beef.... :unsure: There's a hole in the bottom of the sea..., there's a hole in the bottom of the sea..., there's a ho....

Are you being facetious?

In the interest of economy I'll treat your post as though you don't know, and I'll answer. Cattle on grass are a net benefit to the environment due to the cycle involved which keeps grass healthy as manure reinvigorates soil. All the bacteria in ruminant manure is part of the ecological benefit.

 

[Silver]

I've run the numbers.

For 600 pounds of nutrition, a beef on grass "costs" one life and the pasture provides habitat for a wildlife population. For 600 pounds of cabbage grown as a monocrop which destroys all habitat for wild animals, a single spray for an infestation of flea beetles will kill upwards of 60,000 animals.

It actually saves more animals to eat meat from animals that provide many more calories/portions.

I pointed to his slice of bread as an example. Asked if he had any idea how many animals are killed in the farming process to get the grain for it, from mice to birds to deer. I don’t even know for sure but from the visual evidence I’ve seen the numbers are large.

 

[Brute 23]

I had a lady I worked with that told me she was thinking about not eating beef any more. She was also against deer hunting, two very specific things. Her and I got along really good. She was an African American, lady, who's preference was other ladies so it was a dicey deal but we had one thing in common at least.

One day we were talking and she was telling me why she was considering stopping to eat beef. She brought up treatment of the animals, hormones, etc. What was a little surprising is she lumped the industry in as a whole.

I heard the same thing from a friend of mine who lived in Europe and has now moved back to the US. Every thing was... The Anerican Beef Industry. The producer got blamed for every thing through the whole supply chain.

Neither of them had ever been on a property with cattle and seen where it all starts so I took them on a tour.

I didn't change their minds, nor did I try, about the treatment of the animals, or hormones or any thing, but I did draw a distinction between the types of operations and the supply chain. It was a big eye opener to say the least.

The deer hunting deal was funny too. I took that lady through what all goes in to our "deer hunting" and again drew a distinction between types of hunters.

Both had been fed a lot of false information but both were smart enough to question the validity and stay open to other information. No one had ever tried to explain the other side to them.

 

[Travlr]

I pointed to his slice of bread as an example. Asked if he had any idea how many animals are killed in the farming process to get the grain for it, from mice to birds to deer. I don't even know for sure but from the visual evidence I've seen the numbers are large.

Yeah... Isn't it weird how vegans/animal rights proponents ignore that? Monocrops are probably the most damaging type of agriculture. Something like 60% of insects are gone from plant ag areas in Europe, China, and North America. And less than one percent of insects are plant damaging. And of course that leads to a loss of birds, and insects in areas surrounding the crops.