undocumented immigrants

[cow pollinater]

You can't PROVE that most of them are illegal and there's a lot of questions that can't legally be asked so your best bet is to hire the best liars. As long as you don't see irrefutable evidence that they are illegal then they are your best option for cheap labor that WORKS.
I've said before and I'll repeat that my worst nightmare as a tree-fruit farmer is for the government to shut down the border and welfare at the same time. I don't want a bunch of lazy addicts who are forced into labor to show up to handle my crop. Nothing good could possibly come out of that for me.
The dairies that I'm on are mostly exclusive Mexican labor. A few are legal but nobody really knows who is and who isn't. What a blessing it's been for my customers to have a steady flow of farm kids that are eager to work, understand farm work, are reluctant to sue when they're hurt and willing to work hurt or sick.
On those same dairies I've seen a real push to hire any citizen that wants a job and I can honestly say that that has only worked one time. :frowns:

 

[3MileRanch]

I tried to hire some dirt work once. A guy at the coop recomended another guy with a crew. He came out and to.ld me how much he wanted and I agreed. When he showed up he had a group of Mexicans that I assume were illegal. In any event none of them spoke English. The foreman then told me they wanted more money to do the work as what he had previously quoted me wasnt enough for them. I asked how much they wanted. He gave me a price and I again agreed. He then told me his crew just didnt want to do the work as it was to hard and hot. The whole time there was one of his workers making vulgar comments about me in Spanish. The forman asked if I could speak Spanish and I lied and said I didnt. He laughed and I guess he thought it was ok for them to cuss me if I didnt understand. Bottom line is they wont do work that Americans wont cause guess who I got to do the dirt work and cheaper than the second price I was quoted.

 

[Jogeephus]

Jo you are right on the money. I hand planted pine trees all over the south when i was younger.You cannot find a crew of Americans to hand plant trees. The company i worked for was forced to use Mexicans or go out of busniess.

Tell me about it. Here is a perfect example. A friend of mine's BIL was being worked less hours at the factory where he was employed. He complained that he had a family to feed and just couldn't make it on the reduced hours. I gladly hired him to help us with some injection work. We hit the woods at sunrise and knocked off at 2:00 pm due to the heat. The first day he made $200, the second day $300 and the third day he made nearly $400. There was no fourth day cause he quit. Said he refused to work like that. Didn't even have the courtesy to call and tell me but relayed all this through his BIL. Said it was beneath him. Sortof a slap in the face to me cause on average everyone made about $350/day which would have added over a thousand dollars a week to his reduced paycheck and we had enough work in front of us to continue for 3 months. $hitty work? Most definitely but somebody had to do it and the pay was good so why not. My house is paid for but the bank eventually took his and I'm supposed to feel sorry for him? I think not. The irony is that one of the Hispanic guys now owns his own house and this fella doesn't.

 

[3MileRanch]

Jo you are right on the money. I hand planted pine trees all over the south when i was younger.You cannot find a crew of Americans to hand plant trees. The company i worked for was forced to use Mexicans or go out of busniess.

Tell me about it. Here is a perfect example. A friend of mine's BIL was being worked less hours at the factory where he was employed. He complained that he had a family to feed and just couldn't make it on the reduced hours. I gladly hired him to help us with some injection work. We hit the woods at sunrise and knocked off at 2:00 pm due to the heat. The first day he made $200, the second day $300 and the third day he made nearly $400. There was no fourth day cause he quit. Said he refused to work like that. Didn't even have the courtesy to call and tell me but relayed all this through his BIL. Said it was beneath him. Sortof a slap in the face to me cause on average everyone made about $350/day which would have added over a thousand dollars a week to his reduced paycheck and we had enough work in front of us to continue for 3 months. $hitty work? Most definitely but somebody had to do it and the pay was good so why not. My house is paid for but the bank eventually took his and I'm supposed to feel sorry for him? I think not. The irony is that one of the Hispanic guys now owns his own house and this fella doesn't.

Shoot hire me at those wages, I work my ass off now for much less. That was good money. I wish I could afford to pay my guys like that, they definitley deserve it. Kudos to you.

 

[snake67]

why do you have to be politically correct to talk about illigals....van load busted on the way to Atlanta from Texas to work... need to arrest the sorry piece that was gonna work em to.. and ship em all back ...

Perhaps we need to lock this one too?

LOL

Bez

 

[Jogeephus]

Darn right it was good money but it was hard work too. Seemed only fair to pay on a production basis cause it was nasty work but I was blessed to get it and I was in the thick of it every day. It really allowed me to shore up my finances at the time. I couldn't believe this fella wouldn't do the work given his situation. I learned a lot about people from him. You might be surprised at how much some of these Hispanics make each week. Of course its not a desk job sitting in an air conditioned room with one hand free so they can text their wife to see where they are going out to eat that night.

3Mile, I have crew leaders try and pull that stunt on me before to and I send them packing. Its a game they play. You were better off getting rid of them cause that was a crappy crew for sure.

 

[greybeard]

I gladly hired him to help us with some injection work.

What kind of injection work?

 

[JSCATTLE]

I pour concrete for a living . Until last year I hired Mexicans because no one else wants to work . I can tell them what I want and leave when I get back its done .now I sub my work because the taxes were killing me . Contrary to popular belief when someone pays me with a check I have to deposit it . And if I pay my guys cash I still pay the taxes on the money . So they are paying every tax through me . As far as them being lazy some are and they get fired the first day . But I've worked along side these people for 12 plus years and they are thankful for their jobs and will do what ever you ask them . There's no that ain't my job or I don't like doing that . No taking off to take the wife to the dr. Stuff you have to put up with on most jobs . If I had to work white or black guys I'd have to charge 3 times the amount not because the mexicans work cheap but Americans in general are lazy . Everyone on my crew made at least 15 $ per hour . That's good money for a laborer .there are some who work cheap I hear it everyday so in so 's price is lower . My response is always let them do the job . Most of the time I get the job because we are referred even though we are higher .

 

[greybeard]

I pour concrete for a living . Until last year I hired Mexicans because no one else wants to work .

I run into this on a continuing basis and so do my sisters. You can NOT get anyone else to do a job here. Carpentry, cement, electrical, plumbing. Oh they will come out and look at the job, and even give you a quote, and even agree to do the job, but they just don't show up--or they show up for a day or 2 and never return, even tho they agreed to all the terms and conditons.
Mexicans and Asians tho WILL do the work, but I insist they are legal in all aspects. I will not hire an illegal alien no matter how cheaply they may work, and ran a sub contractor off when I was having my house built in 2009 for using what turned out to be an illegal. I had made sure, in writing, that the builder, the general contractor and the subs all knew that no llegal aliens would be allowed on my property at any time. It was included in the build contract.
My nephew is a uniform police officer in a nearby city, and one day he came by to look at my house while it was being built. When he got out of his personal truck, still in uniform, one of the roofers took off and hid behind the house. I saw it happen, grabbed the roofing foreman and we went to talk to him. He spoke no English and could not produce any ID. He was an illegal. I fired the roofing crew on the spot.
I won't put up with it.

 

[Jogeephus]

Greybeard that must have been a long time ago because the illegals will no longer run when they see law enforcement or even people in ICE uniforms. I think this in itself speaks volumes.

 

[Red Bull Breeder]

Lots of folks will brag they will do the work, then be like Jo's example. Not many are willing to follow that kinda work around.

 

[dun]

A friend of mine owns a logging company and says he has to hire 2 complete crews just to have one full crew on monday morning. Then you have those (that I feel are the majority) that do what needs to be done and get by. And there are also a lot that I'm fortunate enough to know that work their butts off and do multiple jobs so they can provide for their familys.

 

[Jogeephus]

That's one problem I've never had with hispanics. If one gets sick and can't come to work there will be another one there to take his place. A lot of work I do requires teamwork and today's work is planned three days before we do it so if someone doesn't show it messes up everything.

I have no idea how you can find out if a migrant worker is legal. Seems like there ought to be some sort of check system in this age of computers but I guess this violates someone's right to privacy cause it seems we have this very same problem when it comes to voting.

 

[ALACOWMAN]

why do you have to be politically correct to talk about illigals....van load busted on the way to Atlanta from Texas to work... need to arrest the sorry piece that was gonna work em to.. and ship em all back ...

Perhaps we need to lock this one too?

LOL

Bez

well aleast the definition aint changed..... yet.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal wonder what politicaly correct term would fit ,,illegal... i know lately its been ...no..no very bad :lol:

 

[James T]

Why do you reckon folks would hire the undocumented mexicans??

Because the labor is cheaper and they work their tails off. And the fact that many citizens will not even consider performing some of the tasks that the illegals are willing to do. They don't actually have to be 'hired'. They could be brought on 1099 in many cases, depending on the job.

Any 'path to citizenship' that will cost the illegal anything, probably won't work, IMO. And we will still have spent millions just to create a worthless program.

I here this argument all the time and call BS. Please tell me what jobs the illegals will do that Legal immigrants wont do? the difference is you have to pay the legal immigrants and Americans minimum wage. If you have a job like that then hey, the employment problem is solved. We can put all the welfare who just cant seem to find a job to work.

Your either totally misinformed or blessed with with an abundant, available and affordable workforce to dig trenches, lay tile, build fences, do cement work.... . And, BTW, any illegal I put to work is paid $10 hour minimum and if it's a one day job, I buy their lunch too. Around here there is no one immediately available to do this kind of short term work. And if you could find a vendor, the price would be much higher and you would have to wait and wait until they felt like getting to the job. Our current government rewards laziness so the odds of ever seeing welfare recipients forced to take these jobs is nonexistent - a pipe dream.
Heck, the illegals now have companies of their own whose owners are doing extremely well. And their prices are still cheaper than the other vendors. They are so embedded in our ground level workforce that there is no chance of ever moving them out. The answer is to stop the flow at the borders and then decide how to do treat the current illegal population.

 

[JSCATTLE]

I pour concrete for a living . Until last year I hired Mexicans because no one else wants to work .

I run into this on a continuing basis and so do my sisters. You can NOT get anyone else to do a job here. Carpentry, cement, electrical, plumbing. Oh they will come out and look at the job, and even give you a quote, and even agree to do the job, but they just don't show up--or they show up for a day or 2 and never return, even tho they agreed to all the terms and conditons.
Mexicans and Asians tho WILL do the work, but I insist they are legal in all aspects. I will not hire an illegal alien no matter how cheaply they may work, and ran a sub contractor off when I was having my house built in 2009 for using what turned out to be an illegal. I had made sure, in writing, that the builder, the general contractor and the subs all knew that no llegal aliens would be allowed on my property at any time. It was included in the build contract.
My nephew is a uniform police officer in a nearby city, and one day he came by to look at my house while it was being built. When he got out of his personal truck, still in uniform, one of the roofers took off and hid behind the house. I saw it happen, grabbed the roofing foreman and we went to talk to him. He spoke no English and could not produce any ID. He was an illegal. I fired the roofing crew on the spot.
I won't put up with it.

We work for many law agency's in my area I've never had a guy run and in fact most police don't care if they are Mexican or not . As long as they do a good job . I had one guy in the last 12 years say no Mexicans can work on my place . I told him that's his choice but I wasn't interested in working for him either . He called me back 3 weeks later because he couldn't find anyone to do the work I told him no thanks and good luck .

 

[JSCATTLE]

That's one problem I've never had with hispanics. If one gets sick and can't come to work there will be another one there to take his place. A lot of work I do requires teamwork and today's work is planned three days before we do it so if someone doesn't show it messes up everything.

I have no idea how you can find out if a migrant worker is legal. Seems like there ought to be some sort of check system in this age of computers but I guess this violates someone's right to privacy cause it seems we have this very same problem when it comes to voting.

That's what I like about them they know we can't work if someone doesn't show up . If someone is sick someone else will be there to take his place until he is back . If someone is lazy they get told by the other workers to hit the road . I've shown up on the job many mornings with a almost new crew . I ask what's going on and they say other guys didn't work hard enough .

 

[greybeard]

Greybeard that must have been a long time ago because the illegals will no longer run when they see law enforcement or even people in ICE uniforms. I think this in itself speaks volumes.

2009 Jo.

 

[James T]

I have no idea how you can find out if a migrant worker is legal. Seems like there ought to be some sort of check system in this age of computers but I guess this violates someone's right to privacy cause it seems we have this very same problem when it comes to voting.

Absolute confirmation of legality is almost impossible if they have purchased good false papers like a SS card and Drivers License which is all it takes to complete an I-9 Form (if the worker is W-2). On that same form, they can can lie about their status. If they are 1099, you still need to get their SS card number if you plan to send them a 1099 - MISC. An SS number can be verified at http://www.socialsecurity.gov/employer/index.htm , then click on "Verify SSNs". And if you need an I-9 Form, http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/i-9.pdf The 1099-MISC needs to be sent out if you paid them $600 or more (http://www.irs.gov/instructions/i1099msc/ar02.html).

 

[3MileRanch]

All I know is my own experience. I have no problem getting guys to work for ten dollars an hour and many will come to me and say they will work for "Mexican Wages" which means $5.00 and hour around here. Most of the farm kids work in the watermelon fields in the summer for $5.00 an hour and will bust their butt for $25 or $30 a day on weekends.

Im not saying all illegals are lazy. Someone said it best when they said they are just like everybody else. But my experience with illegals was not a good one.

Also, in another life I was a federal agent and used to run a drug team in central Texas and guess who was running Meth out of Mexico through Texas and into Oklahoma. Yup, illegals about half the time. It was funny, if a Mexican was here legal and we caught them the judge would start deportation, but if they were here illegal half the time we couldnt even get immigration to come get them. They would put their ten day hold on them and then never show up to pick them up. The judge would have to set bail and they would hightail it back to Mexico. The legal ones would high tail it South as well, but at least when they missed their hearing they would lose their legal status.

On another note I used to not care less about illegals, but then when they started getting insulting towards Americans and making movies saying we couldnt even feed our own kids without them I changed my mind. If you want to be an American, then come here legal, AND LEARN ENGLISH. Sure keep your own language and culture, hell even share it, but understand you are the newcomers here and its your obligation to merge to us, not the other way around.