Joe buck, I'm in central Alabama, so roughly 30-45 days warmer than Kenny. I follow his procedure, allowing for the climate differential. We clip and nitrate in late September, hold cattle off for 60+ days and start grazing on December 1, if needed. We can still get growth in December. One acre of GOOD fescue (3000 lb DM/A) will carry a dry cow for 90 days, if you will strip graze and move the fence daily. Fall rainfall is critical, and fall is a dry time for us. I think Kenny's rainfall is more reliable than ours, so his stockpile is better. But, he gets colder quicker and has some occasional snow to deal with. My forage tests mimic Kenny's, with CP and TDN more than sufficient for even lactating cows, but they would need a bigger forage allowance. There is no better forage in America in December, January and February than stockpiled fescue.