tubs vs cubes

[shaz]

Is the liquid feed just a protein supplement or is there other value as well?

 

[Caustic Burno]

Is the liquid feed just a protein supplement or is there other value as well?

Protein supplement, the cows consume three to five pounds a day. Still have to have 27 lbs of something to fill them up. It is very popular in the area especially when hay is poor quality.
Lot of folks around here use it to force the cows to cleanup the pasture before they start putting out hay.

 

[Brute 23]

I have yet to see a liquid feed that could actually limit the consumption to what is advertised.

To really know the cost per lb of protein you have to factor in the bins, troughs, etc it takes to hold the feed, the transportation, the time it takes to put it out, check it, maintain it, any waste, so on and so on. Its not as simple as this bag costs $X and that tub costs $X.

Every tool has a job... there is no one that does it all.

 

[Caustic Burno]

I have yet to see a liquid feed that could actually limit the consumption to what is advertised.

To really know the cost per lb of protein you have to factor in the bins, troughs, etc it takes to hold the feed, the transportation, the time it takes to put it out, check it, maintain it, any waste, so on and so on. Its not as simple as this bag costs $X and that tub costs $X.

Every tool has a job... there is no one that does it all.

You need to checkout Westway then.

 

[TexasBred]

I have yet to see a liquid feed that could actually limit the consumption to what is advertised.

To really know the cost per lb of protein you have to factor in the bins, troughs, etc it takes to hold the feed, the transportation, the time it takes to put it out, check it, maintain it, any waste, so on and so on. Its not as simple as this bag costs $X and that tub costs $X.

Every tool has a job... there is no one that does it all.

Those expenses were written off the year they were incurred. As for time, we all have to be doing something.

 

[callmefence]

I have yet to see a liquid feed that could actually limit the consumption to what is advertised.

To really know the cost per lb of protein you have to factor in the bins, troughs, etc it takes to hold the feed, the transportation, the time it takes to put it out, check it, maintain it, any waste, so on and so on. Its not as simple as this bag costs $X and that tub costs $X.

Every tool has a job... there is no one that does it all.

That's what people can't get through their hard heads. The guy dumping his own corn in troughs out his back door has different needs than the guy hitting several pastures over a eighty mile loop.
Especially if you have another source of income you have to attend. And many of the cattle on rented ground. Sometimes troughs aren't practical. You feed them where you find them on your schedule and haul azz... Right now in this mud there is a huge waste dumping cubes out. Liquid feed can be a pain to move.
Range meal is good if the hogs don't eat it all. Tubs are expensive.....you gotta pick your posion.

This year we are blessed with good oats.
Which imo is ideal. Cheap enough and convenient once their up. But you can't count on it all the time.

 

[Brute 23]

I have yet to see a liquid feed that could actually limit the consumption to what is advertised.

To really know the cost per lb of protein you have to factor in the bins, troughs, etc it takes to hold the feed, the transportation, the time it takes to put it out, check it, maintain it, any waste, so on and so on. Its not as simple as this bag costs $X and that tub costs $X.

Every tool has a job... there is no one that does it all.

That's what people can't get through their hard heads. The guy dumping his own corn in troughs out his back door has different needs than the guy hitting several pastures over a eighty mile loop.
Especially if you have another source of income you have to attend. And many of the cattle on rented ground. Sometimes troughs aren't practical. You feed them where you find them on your schedule and haul azz... Right now in this mud there is a huge waste dumping cubes out. Liquid feed can be a pain to move.
Range meal is good if the hogs don't eat it all. Tubs are expensive.....you gotta pick your posion.

This year we are blessed with good oats.
Which imo is ideal. Cheap enough and convenient once their up. But you can't count on it all the time.

I agree 100%.

 

[Brute 23]

I have yet to see a liquid feed that could actually limit the consumption to what is advertised.

To really know the cost per lb of protein you have to factor in the bins, troughs, etc it takes to hold the feed, the transportation, the time it takes to put it out, check it, maintain it, any waste, so on and so on. Its not as simple as this bag costs $X and that tub costs $X.

Every tool has a job... there is no one that does it all.

Those expenses were written off the year they were incurred. As for time, we all have to be doing something.

That sounds like a sales pitch from a feed sales man. The only people that benefit from a write off like that is the sales man and the feed company.

 

[Brute 23]

I have yet to see a liquid feed that could actually limit the consumption to what is advertised.

To really know the cost per lb of protein you have to factor in the bins, troughs, etc it takes to hold the feed, the transportation, the time it takes to put it out, check it, maintain it, any waste, so on and so on. Its not as simple as this bag costs $X and that tub costs $X.

Every tool has a job... there is no one that does it all.

You need to checkout Westway then.

I will see where the closest dealer is.

 

[TexasBred]

I have yet to see a liquid feed that could actually limit the consumption to what is advertised.

To really know the cost per lb of protein you have to factor in the bins, troughs, etc it takes to hold the feed, the transportation, the time it takes to put it out, check it, maintain it, any waste, so on and so on. Its not as simple as this bag costs $X and that tub costs $X.

Every tool has a job... there is no one that does it all.

Those expenses were written off the year they were incurred. As for time, we all have to be doing something.

That sounds like a sales pitch from a feed sales man. The only people that benefit from a write off like that is the sales man and the feed company.

Not at all. Just telling you that after the first year the items you mentioned are not an expense. Now if you work on one of course you can write that off as well ...hmmm...that credit reduced your tax some. ;-) One pitch tub and liquid feed folks make is that consumption is relative to the quality of the forage. They will limit intake if the forage is higher quality.

 

[Caustic Burno]

My Westway supplier provides the tank.
He calls every few weeks when out my way to see if I need any. There are half dozen guys within a couple miles tanks he services. I have no clue how many he is covering across a couple counties.
So there is no incured cost other than feed. At 289 a ton it’s the cheapest supplement followed by range meal at 310 for the area.
Liquid is great if you have forage if not range meal if your trying to stretch hay or poor quality.
Neither are needed if quality and quantity Hay are available.

 

[fuchscattle]

Seems to be 2 of the most common protein supplements to go along with hay or roughage. Would 38% cubes not be more cost effective than tubs other than convenience?

for me the 20% cubes would be 400/ton and the 24% tub 500/ton. factor in the extra protein and the convience I go with the tubs. also cubes i feel wear out teeth faster. i keep my cows into their older years gambling on getting a few more calves out of them. good teeth helps.

 

[fuchscattle]

we also feed a lot of stale bread. own/operate two bread routes.

 

[kenny thomas]

we also feed a lot of stale bread. own/operate two bread routes.

The bread is a great supplement. Especially if its free.

 

[TCRanch]

The bread is a great supplement. Especially if its free.

Oh, back in the day before Hostess (and the local outlet) went bankrupt.

And looking back on how old this thread is, I sure miss the input from a lot of former members.

 

[Brute 23]

Oh, back in the day before Hostess (and the local outlet) went bankrupt.

And looking back on how old this thread is, I sure miss the input from a lot of former members.

Yep. There use to be some pretty good debates but it was all fairly common sense stuff just different applications most the time.

Now, we have to argue common sense vs non-sense.

 

[Mrcopier]

Chicken litter used to be used here for feed/ mixed into a ration. It has a smell, but if you pile it in a field, the cows will stand and eat it. Like it's "chocolate candy to them". YUCK. But the thing is, it was being fed as part of a finishing ration by some friends that were finishing out cattle, and when they butchered one for themselves, said you could just taste something "off" in the meat.
Don't know about the arsenic now....but it is no longer suggested as an additive to stretch feed and I think it has to do with the quality and the smell/taste of the meat.
We often get litter when one of the guys has no where to go with it due to not being able to deliver because of field conditions... too wet, muddy, snow, whatever. We have 2 places where they can get into, and back out of without getting stuck, so we get calls sometimes that "so & so has 2 loads that they need a place to go with it", etc.. So, often it will go to these places and we keep cattle at both in the winter. They will just climb all over the piles and eat it. Some gets a little wasted, but the price is cheap when they are desperate for a place to dump it.... so the cows do eat some, and we get it spread when we can get on the fields without tearing them up. Both "storage places" are close to the different hay fields that we use it on.

I agree yuck, and they say things are what they eat. But I eat them so eating chicken littler….ill pass

 

[mwj]

Texasbred was a wealth of information on feed and nutrition. Fence was the man to help you with your gate-gap or where to find good materials or equipment.