Steers grazing standing corn - pics

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With winter finally arriving, my March and April steers are finally getting into aggressively grazing the standing strip tilled corn i leave for them to "finish" on. A couple steers were near the edge of the corn and hot wire nearest the house this morning so I snapped a few pictures.

Most of this group of Herefords were around 800 lb when last weighed a couple weeks ago. This is a lot different than feeding shell corn in a feed bunk. They eat much more of the plant than just grain. This group seems to eat the entire ear where last years group seemed to shell the ears in their mouths then spit out the cob.... seems to vary from year to year. This year is a slightly different hybrid than last year. Maybe the cob is more palatable.

Here are some pictures:

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Jim
 
Thank you AJ & tsmaxx for the kind words on my steers. They are coming along very well as I am working toward the right genetics for my strange birth to plate/cattle self-service system as it evolves. I like to think they look "healthy" as much as anything.

Jim
 
They are nice looking cattle JR. We don't have snow to deal with, but I think that is a great way to feed them, the corn standing well up above the snow.
Ken
 
Love the pics, great looking calves as usual. How many acres of corn and how many calves do you have feeding on it?
 
I was telling my son how this was a common way of storing and feeding the grain. With the cost of harvesting and the price of grain bins we will see more of this in the future. My brothers tood delivery of 600 gallons of winte blend diesel and it was over $2200 dollars, America will figure out that the best way to make money is to just not spend it.
 
How many acres of corn do you plant for how many head? Also what is the total cost of the planting?
 
kjonesel":3hjekti2 said:
I was telling my son how this was a common way of storing and feeding the grain. With the cost of harvesting and the price of grain bins we will see more of this in the future. My brothers tood delivery of 600 gallons of winte blend diesel and it was over $2200 dollars, America will figure out that the best way to make money is to just not spend it.

Grazing standing corn has long been common in the Canadian Prairies as a means of getting a fair amount of grazing for the winter months.

Here is a guide to grazing corn in western Canada put out by DeKalb seed:

https://www.dekalb.ca/Western/Products/Corn/Documents/corn_grazing_guide.pdf

However I don't think grazing standing unharvested corn has been so common in the US. Grazing harvested stalks is very common, especially this year with the long period of no snow in many areas of the US cornbelt.

In the corn belt, if you are already raising corn for grain and own a combine, carts, trucks, dryer, bins, drylot, feeding equipment, manure handling equipment etc then maybe the more popular method of bringing the grain to the cattle makes sense.

Starting out with nothing on a relatively small acreage, I was raising corn for grain using some new strip till methods. Corn is my day job. I can actually grow good corn very cost effectively with new genetics and methods with minimal equipment.

But harvest is a different matter. I was hiring the combining, hauling and drying. Some years by the time I got done I almost ended up owing them money. Certainly did not pay enough to make it worthwhile.

My neighbor got me interested in cattle a few years ago ( I think he wanted me to keep my grass down better!) I bought a few heifers from him and found I really enjoy the cattle business. But feeding a herd in Wisconsin from Nov 1 to May 1 is a big expense. But here I have this corn I am practically giving away and cattle that need something to eat.... So I started this learning process. #1 thing is do not graze pregnant cows and heifers on standing corn unless you want 125lb calves and have a vet on call...

My goal in the cattle business is to raise as many pounds of top quality natural beef per open acre as possible. Rotational grazing in the usually moist climate area of SW WI has allowed me to gradually but dramatically increase my carrying capacity during the 6 month grazing season. However since I purchase all of my winter hay needs (6 months worth) profit can be lost with winter hay costs.

When I was harvesting corn my yields were usually in the 180-200 bu/a range. But it was usually pretty high moisture and needed drying due to my late planting, etc. Here I am about giving away my corn and purchasing a lot of hay. It just did not compute to an overall profit on my farming operation. While I do enjoy cattle I need them to be profitable also.

So I started grazing it. Learned a lot and now use the first pass grazing for steers only although I let my retained heifer (non-bred) calves in behind the steers to cleanup but only after most grain is gone. Saves a lot of late winter hay. Bred cows and heifers are never on corn. Hay, mineral and good well water only for pregnant cattle and my bulls. They get a gentling treat of a couple pounds of sweet feed once a week or so in the fenceline bunks in the corral (keeps them coming to me and into the corral when I call them) but cows and bulls do not get any significant amount of grain ever. BTDT as my kids would say.

Early on I found you can get 300 cow-days grazing per acre on standing corn. It all depends on how far you push them to clean their plate before they get more dessert (ears). I don't push any of them to eat the lower stalks. I have also cut back the amount of 28% N fertilizer I use compared to what is considered "normal" for grain production. This is to prevent excess nitrate buildup in the stalks. Early grazing of highly fertilized corn can lead nitrate poisoning. I am somewhere in the area of 0.4-0.5 units of N per bushel but applied in the strip a day ahead of planting corn.

I used to broadcast apply P&K dry ahead of spring strip tilling but my soil tests indicate high levels of both and sufficient micros so all I applied this year was some N as 28% liquid about 3x3 in the strip. I am experimenting with splitting the N to get more bang for the buck by side dressing every other row (60" ctrs) for half of my 30-35 gal/a. My main cost for growing corn is actually the seed itself. I now run an Aerway at an angle over the stalks and manure in the spring to break up some compaction and incorporate some of the manure.

One of the keys to profitability in this system is to reduce/eliminate the time when I have two years worth of calves to feed. By harvesting my steers off of corn in mid April and start of calving season about April 1 there is almost no time when I have two sets of calves. Getting them off in mid April gives me about 2 weeks to do my thing to these strips and get them ready to plant corn again the first or second week of May in WI.

Another thing that makes this system feasible is the field layout. I have found that it works best with a long narrow strip of corn. My strips are about 100 ft wide by 1/4 mi long with a hot wire along each long side. In the center is an access gate and a lane back to water and hay. I gradually move one of two cross wires away from the center lane in one direction until they reach the end then close that end off to steers, open it to heifers and put the steers going the other way until they reach the other end. At which time they go to the processors. I drive across the corn rows with a 4 wheeler and put the step in Gallagher p-posts and aluminum cross wire on reels in the tire tracks.

Because of the logistics it really helps to have the corn in the same strips every year. I think we now have a system that can do that and produce outstanding corn every year on my heavy clay soils and hillside strips. The soil gets better, there is almost zero erosion and carrying capacity seems to increase a bit each year. And with it the economics.

Now I am working on breeding up a herd that does well in this sort of low-input system. Certain cow families will thrive in this system and produce steers that put pounds into beef rather than frame. I need cows and bull that will produce smaller 1200 lb class mature cows and steers that can hit 1050-1100 lb in 12 months on just mama, grass, some hay and then grazing corn.

Customers ask me if my beef is "grass fed". I have not come up with a short definitive answer to that one yet. Corn is just a big member of the grass family. And as they graze they are eating much more than just the grain. I ask folks to try the beef and not worry about what the system is called.

I am obviously excited about the possibilities of this system. It is not for everyone but does meet my low input/low machinery needs. Sorry to go on so long.

Jim
 
Jim,

I admire your system and any that utilizes animals to harvest their own but, your animals are NOT grassfed. To be grassfed the animals can never consume any starch grains in their life. Yes corn is a grass and folks all over are green-leaf corn grazing before cob formation and getting summer gains from 2-4 pounds per day. Google it. Even the USDA will say so. I would call yours a natural system with a unique grain finish.

I saw your webpage and am curious to your final weights. You listed 100 pounds halves for around 4 bucks. I assume these are from yearling age animals? 800$ per head then butchering does not leave much. The barn pays out more. Is this right?
 
AllForage":fshu1u8u said:
Jim,

I admire your system and any that utilizes animals to harvest their own but, your animals are NOT grassfed. To be grassfed the animals can never consume any starch grains in their life. Yes corn is a grass and folks all over are green-leaf corn grazing before cob formation and getting summer gains from 2-4 pounds per day. Google it. Even the USDA will say so. I would call yours a natural system with a unique grain finish.

I saw your webpage and am curious to your final weights. You listed 100 pounds halves for around 4 bucks. I assume these are from yearling age animals? 800$ per head then butchering does not leave much. The barn pays out more. Is this right?

I do not claim "grass fed" - just "natural". Folks mostly like knowing where their beef comes from and how it was raised - and is it tender and does it taste good. Regardless of what you call it. I gather from your screen name that you are into all "grass fed"? Where in WI are you located (approx)?

On pricing, no that is not right. The 100 lb is about what a SPLIT half (=1/4) weighs @$4 (an old price) each steer grosses about $1600 not $800.

I based my original pricing based on the goal of getting $1.30/lb live weight. At the time this seemed impossible. As the market for fats get closer to that I do ask myself if selling freezer beef is worth the trouble. But I love the beef myself and have customers looking for more each year. I need to reevaluate my selling price for the upcoming season. BTW one drawback to this system is that I only have beef for sale once a year.

Jim
 
If I came across harsh in my last post that was not my intention. The concept of grass fed seems to escape a lot of folks here. Yes I am one of those grass fed guys. I don't push it on people, I like the premium that comes with being a minority. I am well aware of some folks desire to have beef from a source they know. I take calls and emails almost daily and been direct marketing for 10 years. I am 45 minutes west of Green Bay.

Does planting corn pay more in the end versus carrying more cows through pasture and buying grain? I assume you are working with limited land or are you a cash cropper?
 
AllForage":3bq2ca6i said:
...Does planting corn pay more in the end versus carrying more cows through pasture and buying grain? I assume you are working with limited land or are you a cash cropper?

Yes I am on very limited acres and no corn harvesting equipment. I am looking at getting the most production out of each acre but also improving my soils and preventing as much erosion as possible. I am in the driftless region hills.

I really like the idea of looking at pasture or corn as how many cow-days of grazing per year can that acre produce.

As mentioned above, corn can produce 300+ CD of grazing per acre per year. Not only that but the grazing corn does produce is held up high and out of the snow for winter use. Stockpiling forage is about impossible in winters like we had last year unless you have a herd that knows how to use a snow shovel. Corn on the other hand was readily grazeable even in 2 ft or more of snow when I really need it.

Grazing grass in my area is doing very well to achieve 200 CD/a of grazing per year and that's in an intensive rotational grazing system if the rains cooperate.

Buying all of my hay (I don't have any hay machinery nor the time nor acres to make enough good hay) is like buying land only better (at today's land prices). But another topic.

So corn serves a double purpose of providing a lot of high quality grazing at a time when I really need it. But it is only useful for steers, in my opinion and at the yield densities I can achieve. I will extend by grazing the stubble with open heifers.

A combination of home raised strip tilled corn on corn, MIG rotational grazing and purchased good quality hay seems to allow me to make the best use of my particular owned and rented acres.

The key is that I can raise corn much more cost effectively with new methods than was thought possible a few years ago. My heavy clay soils hold a lot of water and love corn - and with new methods I can raise good corn without the soil in the strip washing down to the draw in a heavy early spring rain.

If you are 45 mi w of GB you are likely in a lot lighter soils than I am and this system may not work the same in that area.

And I am not knocking "grass fed" beef. I have done a lot of work in Europe at my day jobs over the years where about all the local beef is "grass fed". And I remember that Europeans thought it was a big treat to get an American corn fed steak on a special occasion. Something you didn't need a bow saw to cut. Note that much of the reason for good current beef prices is overseas (Europe and Asia) demand for good American corn-fed beef.

I understand the advantages of "grass fed". I am looking to produce a product with most of the health benefits of "grass fed" and "all-natural" but with the taste and tender texture of traditional corn-fed beef.

Don't want to start an argument here over the benefits of each.

As far as purchasing grain to feed my cattle, I can produce good corn, standing in the field, very economically. It's the custom harvest-haul-dry-store charges that run up the cost for me. I figure I am producing corn in the 180 bu/a range. It could be 200 if I applied some more N. I am trying to keep my purchased inputs to a minimum. Short answer is I see no financial advantage to buying corn grain.

Another reason I prefer grazing the standing whole corn plant rather than just feeding shelled grain is that I like the concept of the steers eating the entire ear and husks and upper leaves and stalks. I am not a bovine nutrition expert but I think they do better with more roughage in addition to the grain. Also if they get a tummy ache they can go back and eat some good hay I have in a feeder near the waterer....or lick the Mineralyx tub for trace nutrients.

But once they get going into the corn as in the pictures above the corn plant seems to meet most of their needs. I am also looking for them to put on 3+ lb per day on this corn. All the best to you.

Jim
 
Once again Jim I admire your operation. It is too bad in the past you scoffed at some of the older Hereford genetics as they would fit very nicely in your system. I only will offer that there are so many factors that go into grassfed it is hard to discuss it as a whole. Anyone who has a bad experience needs to just move on and tries someone elses. Wherever you were in Europe could partially explain your experience as most Euro grassfed stuff is british/continental. In fact Euro beef largely is not grassfed totally and is finished on grass silage + concentrate. Your major grassfed countries were New zealand, northern Ireland, Australia, and Argentina. As well as local UK stuff that is marketed as "Heritage". Argentina was our best example as their major beef zone is similar to Kansas. The socialist Gov't has changed the agriculture dynamic by trying to buy elections by keeping beef cheap there artificially and they have shifted to more grain production. And we all know what happens with excesses of grain. Everybody enjoys something different than they are used to and trust me their is grassfed that can be cut with a fork. I strive to produce well marbled grassfed and my heifers easily go high select and low choice with very good tenderness. There is two sub-sectors of grassfed, one is bragging about lean junk and the other is trying to produce gourmet with good fat content that everyone wants. It is very possible, just need to seek out the right genetics coupled with the right production protocol.

Not to stir the pot either but you cannot have your cake and eat it too with the health benefits. Once starch is introduced it changes the fatty-acid profile. Even in very small amounts.

BTW I am in very heavy clay but not nearly as hilly as you are. Every soil type in WI is around us somewhere, but we are stuck with clay.
 
AllForage, like I said, I am not a bovine nutritionist. I tend to judge beef by what is on my plate. Maybe Europe does their local beef differently now but in the 70's and 80's I just stopped ordering local steaks, especially in the UK.

I agree with you on the genetics. I have one cow family that gets fat just looking at a bale of hay (well, almost!) I have also seen them gradually change after some time here. I don't remember "dissing any traditional Hereford genetics". I try not to diss anything, especially in cattle given my limited experience.

I did buy a show heifer I liked the looks of. Will not do that again. But I don't think that is dissing anyone. That experience just pointed out to me the importance of buying cattle locally from someone who raises them in a similar way (on grass) to my system. I have actually given up buying females altogether. I accidentally started with such a wide variety of diverse local genetics that the only thing I am going to bring in is a Huth bull now and then as required.

Though I didn't plan it that way, there are advantages to buying a cow or two here and there from different sources when you start. You get a variety of different genetics to start working with and tweak to your system. By aggressively culling any females that don't do well (gain) on my system, or can't have an unassisted calf, or are too big (over 1200-1300 lb) or can't consistently wean a 205 day calf at 50% or more of their own weight or are open at fall preg check I can develop a herd that really makes good use of my limited resources. But I try not to "diss" anything.

I apologize if you took anything I've posted in the past as that way.

Jim
 
I've never seen you talk bad about anyone's cattle, Jim, or other people's operations for that matter. You, on the other hand, have taken more than your fair share of crap and have always handled it with patience and grace. Good for you. My theory is that it has more to do with you being perceived as a liberal on this forum, making you fair game for those that only see things from one direction.

Personally, if I ever were fortunate enough to get into cattle you would be one of the first I'd turn to for advice. In my opinion, you've come farther in a short time than some others have come in a lifetime. Better yet, you're not so far removed from being a "beginner" to think that you have all the answers. You haven't closed your mind to other ways of doing things which, in my opinion, will make you a better cattleman in the long run. Keep up the good work.
 
"Early on I found you can get 300 cow-days grazing per acre on standing corn" Thanks for your post. Interesting for sure. Can someone explain what is meant by the 300 cow-days grazing? Thanks in advance.
 

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