SimAngus, Balancer, Baldies which is best?

[wtrapp]

I'm making a change in my cows and going with either SimAngus, Balancers or Baldies. Give me your opinion as to which females you like best and why? SimAngus & Balancers would be bred to a Hereford Bull while the Baldies would be bred to either SimAngus or Balancer. Thanks for your help.

 

[KNERSIE]

It really depends how much performance your environment can support, but any of the three options can work in the right conditions.

 

[angusdave63]

may i ask where you are from and what is your forage program here indiana we have good grass but in the west things are much diffrent David

 

[wtrapp]

may i ask where you are from and what is your forage program here indiana we have good grass but in the west things are much diffrent David

Yes, I'm from Middle Tennessee and have fescue/clover mix as most of us do here in Tennessee. Winter is mixed grass hay, free choice mineral, a few range cubes and a protien tub here and there.

 

[Idaman]

Anyone starting a herd today or adding to one absolutely must read Allan Nation's editorial in the latest issue of the Stockman Grass Farmer. If you don't have the right kind of cattle soon you will be out of market.

 

[Stocker Steve]

Anyone starting a herd today or adding to one absolutely must read Allan Nation's editorial in the latest issue of the Stockman Grass Farmer. If you don't have the right kind of cattle soon you will be out of market.

Which issue?

 

[Stocker Steve]

I'm making a change in my cows and going with either SimAngus, Balancers or Baldies. Give me your opinion as to which females you like best and why?

I have some of each:
SimAngus are good milking cows but tend to melt in the winter. They can throw a really big calf once in a while...
Balancers are also good milking cows and have a bit more muscle. They are the best looking cows I have.
Baldies are pretty bullet proof and usually easy keepers. So I am focused on: BA bull on herdford or wf cows, then coming back with a limi or GV bull on baldie replacements.

 

[Idaman]

Anyone starting a herd today or adding to one absolutely must read Allan Nation's editorial in the latest issue of the Stockman Grass Farmer. If you don't have the right kind of cattle soon you will be out of market.

Which issue?

November 2010. Volume 10, #11.

 

[Stocker Steve]

November 2010. Volume 10, #11.[/quote]

Allan tends to repeat a lot of the same sermon but that's alright. Easy keeping cows, reduced hay, mob grazing... Hard to argue with any of that. If cafe prices to up the combination could make the IRS happy. :santa:

For me the most profitable (smaller, poorer fall condition) cows are usually not the best looking ones I have. Quite the opposite.

I have a big fat hard breeding docile black simianugus cow that a guy drove in the yard and wanted to buy. Great looking tank of a cow but pretty average for calf raising...

 

[sim.-ang.king]

Take it from the king get Sim-Ang it's the best :lol:

now cue TaxesBred :lol2:

 

[Red Bull Breeder]

Take it from the king get Sim-Ang it's the best :lol:

Dam, amazing the whole country ain't full of them!

 

[tncattle]

wtrapp I sent you a PM

 

[Reds]

If you keep using crossbred bulls on crossbred cows, you get mongrels. A crossbreeding program needs to include purebreds or you will lose heterosis and uniformity.

 

[ANAZAZI]

If you keep using crossbred bulls on crossbred cows, you get mongrels. A crossbreeding program needs to include purebreds or you will lose heterosis and uniformity.

You will loose consistency (uniformity)when usin crossbred bull on crossbred cow.
Heterosis will not be lost if the breeds in the cow is not the same as the breeds in the bull.
Example: A lim/char bull cover hereford/angus cow. Offspring can be red, yellow, black, grey, polled, horned, whiteface, non white face. But full heterosis because no part of the bull is the same breed as any part of the cow.

 

[3waycross]

I'm making a change in my cows and going with either SimAngus, Balancers or Baldies. Give me your opinion as to which females you like best and why? SimAngus & Balancers would be bred to a Hereford Bull while the Baldies would be bred to either SimAngus or Balancer. Thanks for your help.

In most of these scenarios you are achieving maximum heterosis. I especially like the idea of using a hereford bull on balancer cows, that maintains the 3 way cross.

 

[TexasBred]

Take it from the king get Sim-Ang it's the best :lol:

now cue TaxesBred :lol2:

No way Einstein...but a good Simbra would work.

 

[Lucky_P]

I'm with the King - the SimAngus would be my choice.
We're currently doing a 3-way cross: Angus bulls on Sim/Shorthorn cows or black Sim bulls on Angus/Shorthorn cows.

TXbred - we ran a halfblood Simbrah bull on black baldy cows in south AL back in the late 80s - best calves we EVER raised, and the heifers made darn good cows. Good enough that I've kept some Simmental influence going in my herd for the past 25 years now, but up here in the 'frigid northland' of KY, I don't need any 'ear' or the price dock it would bring me.
wtrapp doesn't really need any Brahman influence in middle TN - I practiced there in the heyday of the Beefmasters & Gerts - and they're good cattle in the right place, but I wouldn't want much Brahman influence down there.

 

[wtrapp]

I'm with the King - the SimAngus would be my choice.
We're currently doing a 3-way cross: Angus bulls on Sim/Shorthorn cows or black Sim bulls on Angus/Shorthorn cows.

TXbred - we ran a halfblood Simbrah bull on black baldy cows in south AL back in the late 80s - best calves we EVER raised, and the heifers made darn good cows. Good enough that I've kept some Simmental influence going in my herd for the past 25 years now, but up here in the 'frigid northland' of KY, I don't need any 'ear' or the price dock it would bring me.
wtrapp doesn't really need any Brahman influence in middle TN - I practiced there in the heyday of the Beefmasters & Gerts - and they're good cattle in the right place, but I wouldn't want much Brahman influence down there.

You are so right. In my area the ear just doesn't work. Docked too much. I even like "red" cattle. I can see a pasture full of solid red balancer/simangus cows and a Red Angus or Gelbvieh bull, but again they are docked in favor of black. I don't make a living at it so what does it matter.

 

[TexasBred]

Right on...but in this area some ear is a bonus. Why a fellow should raise what the market wants.

 

[ALACOWMAN]

I'm with the King - the SimAngus would be my choice.
We're currently doing a 3-way cross: Angus bulls on Sim/Shorthorn cows or black Sim bulls on Angus/Shorthorn cows.

TXbred - we ran a halfblood Simbrah bull on black baldy cows in south AL back in the late 80s - best calves we EVER raised, and the heifers made darn good cows. Good enough that I've kept some Simmental influence going in my herd for the past 25 years now, but up here in the 'frigid northland' of KY, I don't need any 'ear' or the price dock it would bring me.
wtrapp doesn't really need any Brahman influence in middle TN - I practiced there in the heyday of the Beefmasters & Gerts - and they're good cattle in the right place, but I wouldn't want much Brahman influence down there.

You are so right. In my area the ear just doesn't work. Docked too much. I even like "red" cattle. I can see a pasture full of solid red balancer/simangus cows and a Red Angus or Gelbvieh bull, but again they are docked in favor of black. I don't make a living at it so what does it matter.

and extra 10 cents matters, unless its a sho nuff hobby............ then nothing matters