aplusmnt
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dun":1xzysdfw said:
Not to change the subject Dun, but do you raise some shorthorns? I been wanting a nice colored shorthorn heifer for my daughter. She likes them with some color to them.
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Not to change the subject Dun, but do you raise some shorthorns? I been wanting a nice colored shorthorn heifer for my daughter. She likes them with some color to them.
DiamondSCattleCo
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dun":1jjqnnqs said:
Alta Cedar Ultimate 130K is another decent pure bull whose semen is available in the US.
Muridale's website is here:
http://www.muridale.com/
The website doesn't give any weights, but I'm not seeing anything on there that looks much heavier than 1400 lbs or so. They've got some nice looking cows on the website with good bags and lots of volume.
Rod
aplusmnt
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dun":mzlrg1as said:
Can you get enough growth when using shorthorn for terminal calves?
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aplusmnt":1lpwhnn3 said:
Its going to depend on your cows. I've got some Angus/Simm cows here whose Shorthorn bred calves are growing with the best of them (currently in the 900 lb range, growing 3.5 lbs/day on free choice hay and 8 lbs of whole oats). My Angus/Shorthorn cross calves are performing almost as good as my 3-way crosses. And this is using my maternal Shorthorn herd sire, not a high gaining terminal bull.
Edit: I should have said this, but I've seen Shorthorn cross very well with Angus, Simm, Maine, and Longhorns. I've never seen a Char/Shortie cross, but see no reason why it wouldn't work every bit as good as another Brit animal.
Rod
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dun":6p8kc30q said:
Muridale also owns Ultimate and they have his semen listed as exportable.
Rod
KMacGinley
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If you want to see some good Shorthorn Purebred cattle check out Kaper cattle company Website.http://www.topwebsites24-7.com/cgi-bin/ ... ownerid=44
Gary has linebred these shorthorns for over 30 years, they are good high performing shorthorns with maternal power and growth. He has 5 bulls in a test in Oregon gaining around 5 lbs/day on test.
Gary has linebred these shorthorns for over 30 years, they are good high performing shorthorns with maternal power and growth. He has 5 bulls in a test in Oregon gaining around 5 lbs/day on test.
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purecountry
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I saw 2 or 3 females on that site that looked decent, that herd bull looks badly in need of grain - 150 Springfield 30-06. He's awful. Maybe they've got some good ones, but the website doesn't show it.
KMacGinley
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Purecountry: Which bull do you mean?
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purecountry
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KMacGinley":2y356cy8 said:
On the right hand side of their Home Page, there's a pic of the head of a bull, and it says 'Herdsire Power'. If you click on it, prepare yourself.
Like I said, if they have good cattle as you say, then their website doesn't show it.
KMacGinley
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That bull was in his working clothes, not everyone keeps them pig fat, maybe you could show us some of your bulls?
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purecountry
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Are you sure we're looking at the same bull friend? His name is Wolf Ridge Pioneer 41something. His condition has nothing to do with it, and he's obviously not in his working clothes, since he's got mud and tag halfway up his @$$. He drops from hook to pin like an old sheepdog, pinches up in the heart girth, and comes up way too high in the flank. He's in good condition alright, where the problem lies is in his SHAPE.
And don't be offended by my critique of the bull, even if he's yours! It's not like I'm talking about someone's child, it's just a bull. They are what they are, and we all as cattlemen and women need to strive to use the best and cut the rest. ;-)
And don't be offended by my critique of the bull, even if he's yours! It's not like I'm talking about someone's child, it's just a bull. They are what they are, and we all as cattlemen and women need to strive to use the best and cut the rest. ;-)
KMacGinley
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He is not my bull, I raise Angus, but he does belong to a friend of mine and although I am not a shorthorn guy, I would be proud to own him or even better some of his progeny. The proof of any animal is his ability to produce dynamic progeny and for shorthorns these do the job. The thread was asking about good performing purebred Shorthorns, that have not been crossed up, Kapers have them.
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purecountry
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Fair enough. It's at least commendable that they're keeping their program free of Mangey Jubes...I mean, um, Maine-Anjou.lol
KMacGinley
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I never did quite understand the logic of them selling out and opening up the book to other breeds. It shows a lack of charactor, they should have improved the breed from within. Some people say that they are doing openly what the Angus and Hereford guys did under the table though.
DiamondSCattleCo
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Its definitely NOT something that everyone is overly crazy about, but its not really a huge deal either. It takes 255/256 ancestors to be pure before an animal will be allowed to move from the appendix to the closed registry. While I am of the belief that appendix animals should NEVER be allowed to move over, having 255 pure ancestors arguably means that whatever inferior breed ( ;-) ) was allowed into the tree is likely so watered down as to not be noticeable anyway.
And before anyone hammers me over the inferior comment, it was just a joke
Rod
And before anyone hammers me over the inferior comment, it was just a joke
Rod
Coyote
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I disagree with you Rod about the following (having 255 pure ancestors arguably means that whatever inferior breed ( ) was allowed into the tree is likely so watered down as to not be noticeable anyway.)
My example would be if that animal that was introduced into Shorthorn, had a defect like TH it would be in there for a very long time as we are finding out.
Even if an animal was 255/256 I believe TH would still be present, but I maybe wrong.
My example would be if that animal that was introduced into Shorthorn, had a defect like TH it would be in there for a very long time as we are finding out.
Even if an animal was 255/256 I believe TH would still be present, but I maybe wrong.
Coyote:
If I remember my old genetics right, the chance of a carrier being there at the level being discussed is 0.39%.
In other words, if we have 1,000 animals from that sort of system, there would be 4 carriers.
mtnman
If I remember my old genetics right, the chance of a carrier being there at the level being discussed is 0.39%.
In other words, if we have 1,000 animals from that sort of system, there would be 4 carriers.
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