Rotating Wormers

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Opinions please

Rotating wormers obviously is the way most vets feel keep the parasite immunity under control..I do it with my horses, cattle and goats.

I safeguard in the spring and Ivomec in the fall with the cows.

Came across a gentleman who swears up and down all he worms with is Ivermectin and his cattle do great..

Does anyone else do this? thoughts?

Sarah
 
spinandslide":c1be3uyw said:
Opinions please

Rotating wormers obviously is the way most vets feel keep the parasite immunity under control..I do it with my horses, cattle and goats.

I safeguard in the spring and Ivomec in the fall with the cows.

Came across a gentleman who swears up and down all he worms with is Ivermectin and his cattle do great..

Does anyone else do this? thoughts?

Sarah

I rotate but not that often. Have been using Cydectin now for about 2 years but will probably switch to something else in the fall. But I too know folks that won't anything but Ivomec year in and year out.
 
This can get in to the Ford/Chevy type debates. Most folks end up using what works for them. There are too many factors to consider.

Personally I am surrounded by 7 other cattle operations that can have their cows rubbing noses with mine at varying points in my rotations. Some folks are isolated or running smaller units without considering volume discounts when they purchase. They obviously won't make the same decisions I make.
 
We rotate between Eprinex, Dectomax and Cydectin on a yearly basis. But I do use a generic ivermectin each fall as a clean-up before winter.
 
thanks everyone for your thoughts..was just curious what others thought..as everything Ive learned says you need to rotate..but I guess if it works, dont fix it!
 
'Rotating dewormers' is a concept that's been shown to be detrimental, but unfortunately, many of my veterinary colleagues continue to recommend it - largely out of ignorance of the studies that have been done in recent years.
It's an even bigger problem for small ruminants than it is for cattle - I almost never see a cow or calf DYING of worms, and I'm not convinced that it's even economically advantageous to deworm adult cows on any sort of regular basis. 95+% of death losses in goats, particularly across the Southeast, are due to infection with the barberpole worm, Haemonchus contortus. We frequently see populations of Haemonchus in many of our goat flocks that are resistant to all three classes of dewormers, due to producers 'rotating' dewormers in quick succession - and that at the recommendation of the veterinarian (I know; I used to make that recommendation - before I knew better.).

If you're concerned about the development of 'resistance' in the populations of 'worms' present on a farm/ranch, rotating between classes of dewormers will just move you down the road toward resistance to multiple (or all) classes all that much faster.
If you deworm with, say, Panacur/Safeguard one time, you kill off all the benzimidazole- susceptible worms, and all that are left to breed and produce the next generation of infectious larvae are those that are resistant to the benzimidazoles(Panacur, Valbazen, Synanthic, etc.) - resistance to one member of the class translates to resistance to all members of that class of dewormers. Then, if you deworm with an ivermectin the next time, you kill off the worms that are susceptible to ivermectin, and you're left with a population that is resistant to both the ivermectin-type dewormers and the benzimidazole dewormers.
It's far better to pick ONE type of dewormer and stick with it until it is no longer effective - before switching to another class. Depending upon frequency of treatment, you might get 2, 3, 5 years or more out of a class of dewormer before you need to switch.

cfpinz - Eprinex, Dectomax, Cydectin, and ivermectin are all in the same class, though Cydectin (at least at this point in time) seems to still have some effectiveness against populations of ivermectin-resistant nematode parasites.
I don't even bother with ivermectin in my herd anymore; as my hero Dr. David Pugh says, "If it doesn't kill the worms, why waste your time or $$$ putting it in 'em?!"
 
Doc in theory you're right. In reality...I doubt it without worlds of lab work and research to back you up.
 
TexasBred":23i4r9hn said:
Doc in theory you're right. In reality...I doubt it without worlds of lab work and research to back you up.

When I am spraying for flies, blood drips off with the water droplets. The cows are literally bleeding. Worming gets rid of the flies absolutely. If I saw nothing else, the amount of blood loss would be enough to convince me.
 
backhoeboogie":141s4pnc said:
TexasBred":141s4pnc said:
Doc in theory you're right. In reality...I doubt it without worlds of lab work and research to back you up.

When I am spraying for flies, blood drips off with the water droplets. The cows are literally bleeding. Worming gets rid of the flies absolutely. If I saw nothing else, the amount of blood loss would be enough to convince me.

Lice control is worth the price of admission, too.
 
again..thanks for the thoughts..definantly something to chew on..guess it depends on what you personaly are trying to accomplish..for now, I think Ill personaly stick with my rotation..:)
 
Doc,
Thanks for your professional opinion about resistance. I have read several studies which support the thoughts. Apparently it is not unlike fly resistance with insecticides.....is it?

We saw no effect on fly conrol last year by JUST using dewormer. Although, some offer the opinion that it does help.
 
As most of you know by now I rotational graze. I have ceased to worm for several years and I see no difference. I will pull the entire herd into a large holding pen and spray for flies however and I have sprayed them for lice. This past Winter I did not observe any lice activity. The no lice problems was a first for me.
 
preston39":njpmjoaw said:
Doc,
Thanks for your professional opinion about resistance. I have read several studies which support the thoughts. Apparently it is not unlike fly resistance with insecticides.....is it?

We saw no effect on fly conrol last year by JUST using dewormer. Although, some offer the opinion that it does help.
All fly control methods "help" to some extent. Nothing is going to get rid of all of them. Especially if neighbors don't also have a good fly control program.
 

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