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Some thing.... or someone .....continues to block my postings of my pics showing my "treasure" (word used for lack of posting the "wrong" word.)
 
Brute 23 said:
You have to shoot the biggest, ballistic tip you can out of them.

I have been on 3 tracks from the 6.5CM. Same issues with all of them. Had blood for just a little ways then nada. It was a combo of "behind the shoulder" shots and poor bullet choice. Brought dogs in on two and did not find the 3rd.

People want to shoot these fast little bullets that don't expand and it doesn't go good if it doesn't hit some thing.
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You maybe right on a heavier bullet but I gave up on ballistic tip ammo after losing a couple of deer . My son and I both shoot 270's and the same weight bullets in accubond. Wilth no lost deer since . Even went to a little lighter bullet .
 
coachg said:
You maybe right on a heavier bullet but I gave up on ballistic tip ammo after losing a couple of deer . My son and I both shoot 270's and the same weight bullets in accubond. Wilth no lost deer since . Even went to a little lighter bullet .
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I’ve had the same experience with ballistic tips as well in .270 and .50 caliber black powder. Found the deer, but very minimal blood to trail. To me, it seems like the bullet does not expand much and does not leave much damage on exit. Great bullets for paper but not for hunting. That’s been my experience anyway. Started using 150g Winchester Power Points and no issues. Also do some reloading and use 150g boat tail Spire Points, which I think are the same as the Power Points used by Winchester.
 
For years I used 180 grain Sierra boat tails for deer and 180 grain Nosler partitions for elk out of my 30-06. On time I took the wrong ones. I shot a nice 3 point (8 pt for you easterners) whitetail. Behind the should at about 80 yards shooting uphill. Bullet zipped through leaving very little blood trail. He must have gone 200 yards before he died. Found him just barely before dark.

Had a friend convince me to use Swift A-frame bullets for elk. 300 Win mag shooting 200 grain bullets. Shot 2 elk with them. One step above fmj. Exit hole not much bigger than the entrance hole. Went back to the Nosler partitioned bullets. They are tough and hold together but they do open up. On the other side I shot an elk one time with Remington core lock 180 grain out of an 30-06. Shot it twice. Bullets blew up and didn't get nearly the penetration I want. My buddy had to kill it.
 
.270 Remington 710, cheapest and most accurate rifle I own at this time. Low recoil, flat shooting, never had one run away, yet. Have been using PMP South African ammo I found a case of years ago. Was about $3 box, back then. Wish I bought more of it. Great hunting round!
 
my experience with ...223, 7mm rem mag, 7mm.08....you need to be far away......what i mean is they don't expand very well at close range, below 200/250 yards. My son and i had the same experience with a lot of your responders..i reload but am not an expert by any means. i do believe ballistic tips do well at long distances when they slow down and have time to expand. bet i get some opinions because us shooting guys ...well, we have our opinions on calibers, bullets, loads, rifle brands, etc. ..Blessed to be in AMERICA
 
RNW said:
my experience with ...223, 7mm rem mag, 7mm.08....you need to be far away......what i mean is they don't expand very well at close range, below 200/250 yards. My son and i had the same experience with a lot of your responders..i reload but am not an expert by any means. i do believe ballistic tips do well at long distances when they slow down and have time to expand. bet i get some opinions because us shooting guys ...well, we have our opinions on calibers, bullets, loads, rifle brands, etc. ..Blessed to be in AMERICA
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This is interesting. Please bear in mind I have no knowledge of ammo, don't know what a ballistic tip is, but when I used a 30.30 those bullets I dug out of their victims definitely expanded. Finally could not use an open site anymore so got a 7mm.08. Whether it be deer or elk it has never knocked anything down like the 30.30 would. One exception, young elk at point blank range finally fell over at the place it was standing when shot.
Attached is photo of bullet removed from last cow elk I shot and the label on ammo box. I look at that bullet and think there should have been a lot more expansion. Guys that dug the bullet out said shot placement was good. She might have been 100 yds. out.

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Dave said:
For years I used 180 grain Sierra boat tails for deer and 180 grain Nosler partitions for elk out of my 30-06. On time I took the wrong ones. I shot a nice 3 point (8 pt for you easterners) whitetail. Behind the should at about 80 yards shooting uphill. Bullet zipped through leaving very little blood trail. He must have gone 200 yards before he died. Found him just barely before dark.

Had a friend convince me to use Swift A-frame bullets for elk. 300 Win mag shooting 200 grain bullets. Shot 2 elk with them. One step above fmj. Exit hole not much bigger than the entrance hole. Went back to the Nosler partitioned bullets. They are tough and hold together but they do open up. On the other side I shot an elk one time with Remington core lock 180 grain out of an 30-06. Shot it twice. Bullets blew up and didn't get nearly the penetration I want. My buddy had to kill it.
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It's tough to beat a Nosler Partion, I load 'em in .338 Win mag, 30-06 and 25-06. They perform well.
 
Go read articles about what actually kills an animal. It's about the trauma caused as the bullet expends its energy to the animal. There is a reason why a blunt nosed, 150gr, 30-30 bullet is the most deer killing bullet off all time.

People are going backwards with these small, fast bullets. They make clean passes and don't cause the trauma.
 
Brute 23 said:
Go read articles about what actually kills an animal. It's about the trauma caused as the bullet expends its energy to the animal. There is a reason why a blunt nosed, 150gr, 30-30 bullet is the most deer killing bullet off all time.

People are going backwards with these small, fast bullets. They make clean passes and don't cause the trauma.
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There is an argument to be made for hydrastolic shock with these fast pointed bullets.
But I’m with you. I’d rather have a slower projectile with more terminal energy. A whitetail just doesn’t have a lot of mass or heavy bone to slow a bullet down and make it expand.
 
I have had more elk drop in their tracks with 165 gr. in 30-06 than 180 gr. In 300 WSM. May have been shot placement to some extent, but the 30-06 knocks them down fine. I don't use ballistic tips except to shoot coyotes and recovery isn't a priority with them.
 
SBMF 2015 said:
There is an argument to be made for hydrastolic shock with these fast pointed bullets.
But I'm with you. I'd rather have a slower projectile with more terminal energy. A whitetail just doesn't have a lot of mass or heavy bone to slow a bullet down and make it expand.
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I had a dog that was shot, pretty sure by a 22, through the lungs and he survived. I found the slug under his skin on his right side and a hole in the skin on the left. He had a hard time breathing enough to run for awhile but eventually recovered.
 
Brute 23 said:
You have to shoot the biggest, ballistic tip you can out of them.

I have been on 3 tracks from the 6.5CM. Same issues with all of them. Had blood for just a little ways then nada. It was a combo of "behind the shoulder" shots and poor bullet choice. Brought dogs in on two and did not find the 3rd.

People want to shoot these fast little bullets that don't expand and it doesn't go good if it doesn't hit some thing.
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I'd agree shoot the biggest ballistic tip made. More weight to drive threw and more expansion. All dead deer find your bullet see how it preformed. Shot placement is key. 90% if I can't shoot it in the neck or head I don't shoot. I don't chase or track wounded deer. 1 shot 1kill. Bigger cal don't kill deer deader but they help with shots I won't shoot.
 
Anyone ever have problems with Remington Core-Lok riffle ammo? I bought a new box of 270 couple days before deer season about 10 years ago and had 2 out of 7 non-fires out of the box. Never bought them again. I had a buddy in the early 90s showed me a box of Remington 12 gage deer slugs he bought where 2 out of 5 the slugs where in the cartridge backwards.
 
I bought a pack of 5 20 ga Sabot slugs not thinking that i didn't have a rifled barrell. Duh i know.
At 10 to 30 ft will they shoot decent through an improved cylinder barrel?
Im thinking of carrying it for a bear. Its 18" barrel with pistol grip.
 

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