Remitall Super Duty 42S

[HerefordSire]

I have not verified this yet, but I have read that this animal was recently sold for $270K (Canadian). Without believing the high price was artificially inflated, I would like to understand better why this animal sold for so much money.

http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i ... 9=50515F59

 

[S&S Farms]

When you go to an auction you bid up to the amout you are no longer willing to pay. When two different parties want the same thing then you see who has the most dollars. The winning bidder actually only had to come up with 75% because they already owned 25% as it was explained to me. I think a group of Americans were looking at him also. It really only takes one fool and a good auctioneer to run a bid pretty high.

Jeff

 

[Herefords.US]

For one thing, if you'll look at his pictures in the Remitall sale catalog where he originally sold as a calf, you'll see a calf that has about as much thickness and muscle expression as I've ever seen in a Hereford bull calf. They had a "rear-view" picture of him in that catalog.

Then there's his success in the showring. He'll probably do well again this year if he is shown.

Most of all, I'd bet it has to do with those first calves that were on the ground and many of those brought premiums in the dispersion sale.

I betting that the high price that he brought is only slightly tainted. True, one of his owners was bidding on him in dollars that they'd partially pay back to themselves, BUT I'm assuming that they were actually bidding against another entity who didn't have a "dog in the hunt".

George

 

[redfornow]

Most of all, I'd bet it has to do with those first calves that were on the ground and many of those brought premiums in the dispersion sale.
George

Were did he go in the sale? dont remember?

My question is did he sale hgih because his calves sold high?
Or did his calves sale hgih based on the fact that he sold high?

Really, is the tail waggin the dog?

Dont know, I like him.... But wouldnt use him....

 

[bandit80]

Beats me. I'm not a hereford bredder, but a 100lb bw? And I noticed they had an adjusted birth weight. What? Never heard of an adjusted birth weight, so curious if anyone knows how that works.

The bull appears to have good growth and carcass numbers, but the bull's bw, CE and BW EPD would be enough to scare me off.

 

[Herefords.US]

Most of all, I'd bet it has to do with those first calves that were on the ground and many of those brought premiums in the dispersion sale.
George

Were did he go in the sale? dont remember?

My question is did he sale hgih because his calves sold high?
Or did his calves sale hgih based on the fact that he sold high?

Really, is the tail waggin the dog?

Dont know, I like him.... But wouldnt use him....

He sold down in the order of the sale and a lot his calves sold earlier. The fact that one of his current owners was willing to bid that much to retain ownership speaks a lot about what they must see in his calves - and the return they're going to get on semen when a lot of other breeders line up to use him.

Edited to add: I wouldn't use him if I was you either! After all, he's got that horrid 517 back in his pedigree! :lol: :tiphat:

Or in as in ribeye were somehow he managed to produce a high quailty breeding animal with that horrid 517 showing up time again?

George

 

[Herefords.US]

Beats me. I'm not a hereford bredder, but a 100lb bw? And I noticed they had an adjusted birth weight. What? Never heard of an adjusted birth weight, so curious if anyone knows how that works.

The bull appears to have good growth and carcass numbers, but the bull's bw, CE and BW EPD would be enough to scare me off.

100 lb. birthweights aren't "uncommon" in Canada. I'll bet that his CE and BW EPDs will improve as he gets more natural calves on his record. He's probably never going to be a LOW birth weight EPD bull - unless you're crossing him with elephants.

 

[redfornow]

Patroit puts to many problems on a calf, even for the great 517 to solve em!!!!

I am tryin to lower BW not raise it to 100? And what is an adjusted BW?
Which way do you think that they adjusted it? lol

red

 

[Herefords.US]

Patroit puts to many problems on a calf, even for the great 517 to solve em!!!!

I am tryin to lower BW not raise it to 100? And what is an adjusted BW?
Which way do you think that they adjusted it? lol

red

I agree that BW's can be too high and cause a lot problems. However, I am skeptical about the advisability of lowering them to extremes.

I've read too many posts from some breeders of other breeds, particularly Angus, where they were complaining about BWs being lowered so low that they were breeding the calving ease completely out of the cattle - pelvic areas becoming too small, etc.

My philosophy is if you're not having to pull calves , you don't have a BW problem, regardless of what the EPDs might say. And, if you're having to pull calves, and the bull's BW EPD is way below average(reference P606 - when he was promoted as a calving ease bull), you've got a problem - regardless of what the EPDs say.

George

 

[redfornow]

Patroit puts to many problems on a calf, even for the great 517 to solve em!!!!

I am tryin to lower BW not raise it to 100? And what is an adjusted BW?
Which way do you think that they adjusted it? lol

red

I agree that BW's can be too high and cause a lot problems. However, I am skeptical about the advisability of lowering them to extremes.

I've read too many posts from some breeders of other breeds, particularly Angus, where they were complaining about BWs being lowered so low that they were breeding the calving ease completely out of the cattle - pelvic areas becoming too small, etc.

My philosophy is if you're not having to pull calves , you don't have a BW problem, regardless of what the EPDs might say. And, if you're having to pull calves, and the bull's BW EPD is way below average(reference P606 - when he was promoted as a calving ease bull), you've got a problem - regardless of what the EPDs say.

George

I agree! I am shooting for 70lb for heifers and 85 for cows
Anybody looking for more than that is an idiot!

I dont know of a person (other than HS) that is looking to raise BW's no matter how easy the cow gets em here.

I have only had to pull one this year 99lber backwards....
Not alot can be done bout that.

Big red

 

[HerefordSire]

(1) What amount did he sell for the first time he was sold?

(2) What amount did his sire sell for if he was sold?

(3) If his sire is deceased, what was the cause of his death?

 

[redfornow]

(3) If his sire is deceased, what was the cause of his death?

His sire died of shock when he found out what his son was worth!!!

 

[HerefordSire]

(3) If his sire is deceased, what was the cause of his death?

His sire died of shock when he found out what his son was worth!!!

Yesterday we were chatting about perceived value. What do you think the bull is actually worth subtracting excess perception if there is such a thing?

 

[Herefords.US]

(1) What amount did he sell for the first time he was sold?

(2) What amount did his sire sell for if he was sold?

(3) If his sire is deceased, what was the cause of his death?

[1]$46,000
[2]$195,000 - but American dollars were worth more and Canadian dollars less then
[3]I don't know! Where is Hill when you need him? :help:

George

 

[redfornow]

(3) If his sire is deceased, what was the cause of his death?

His sire died of shock when he found out what his son was worth!!!

Yesterday we were chatting about perceived value. What do you think the bull is actually worth subtracting excess perception if there is such a thing?

For all of my beating, this is a good young bull.
I dont see him being a breed changer. The BW is to high and the CE is exactly what the hereford breed needs to be getting away from. Anyhow with that said. I can easily see this bull producing cash flow.
I struggle to see cash flow in the 270,000 range with semen sales short term.

They are at best guessing at future value. They must see something I just dont. But I would venture to say that lower 6 figures would be more realistic?

Anyhow look at maui jim. One year his semen interest sales out the roof and the following year the actual bull sales for less than half or so? So I would be a fool to set an absolute. I just know what I feel...

 

[Herefords.US]

(3) If his sire is deceased, what was the cause of his death?

Here ya' go, HS! From your Remitall Catalina 24H thread, now locked!

Herefordsire, First thing again, Patriot ET 13P is not a son of 24H, he is out of Ginger 23G. Partiot is dead, died not long after being crowned the 2006 National Champion in Canada last year. Heart problems.

 

[redfornow]

(3) If his sire is deceased, what was the cause of his death?

Here ya' go, HS! From your Remitall Catalina 24H thread, now locked!

Herefordsire, First thing again, Patriot ET 13P is not a son of 24H, he is out of Ginger 23G. Partiot is dead, died not long after being crowned the 2006 National Champion in Canada last year. Heart problems.

Are we really gonna take that a "truth"

 

[Herefords.US]

Are we really gonna take that as "truth"

That's the reason I wanted to put it in the context of his quote. Every now and then Hill would get one right, though!

George

 

[HerefordSire]

This is located in the semen area of their website (prior to the sale package):

Remitall Super Duty 42S -- $5,000.00/package includes 100 certificates for in herd use only.

http://www.remitall.ca/semen.html

Only 35 progeny list in Canada and 2.5 years old, give or take:

http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i ... 39E7&11=29

Only 29 in the USA:

http://www.herfnet.com/online/cgi-bin/i ... 2B3C2B3C3A

 

[HerefordSire]

When I study pedigrees, one of the first things I do is inspect the 1/8 portions. For Super Duty they are as follows:

....................REMITALL GOVERNOR 236G P C02676840
..........REMITALL OLYMPIAN ET 262L P C02789145
....................REMITALL CATALINA 24H P C02704814

.....Sire: REMITALL PATRIOT ET 13P P C02851748

....................CIRCLE-D WRANGLER 832W P C02337915
..........REMITALL GINGER 23G P C02676860
....................PLAIN LAKE BELLE 20X 117P 5B P C02511443

Animal: REMITALL SUPER DUTY 42S P C02881216

....................FELTONS 403 P A23139356
..........FELTONS 517 P C02501951
....................F PRINCESS A80 P A23230278

.....Dam: REMITALL RITA 91H P C02704839

....................REMITALL CASINO 12C P C02547476
..........REMITALL FLORAL RITA 102F P C02649470
....................REMITALL RITA BELLE 97B P C02508781