Red Angus Identity Network

[SEC]

I'll bite. I think that this 1B stuff is unneeded, I wonder how a breeder that cares so much for his breed can buy into this.

There is enough funky sh_t that happens in a breed that is supposed to be 100% to begin with. Can you imagine what else comes into the mix?

Why have reg. papers at all then? What about the pride that the animal you are buying has papers, a genetic background that is 100% traceable. We can make papers up for any silly thing then.

Hopefully that will get some response.

 

[purecountry]

Here's a response - well said SEC, well said.

 

[dun]

I'll bite. I think that this 1B stuff is unneeded, I wonder how a breeder that cares so much for his breed can buy into this.

There is enough funky sh_t that happens in a breed that is supposed to be 100% to begin with. Can you imagine what else comes into the mix?

Why have reg. papers at all then? What about the pride that the animal you are buying has papers, a genetic background that is 100% traceable. We can make papers up for any silly thing then.

Hopefully that will get some response.

You might want to look into the breed origins a bit. When reds were eliminated from the Angus registry, a group of people got together to continue the red lines. At that time there were very few red Angus cattle. That is why the association has alwasy been a big promoter of crossbreeding and allows breeding up. But the great part is, if you don;t like it you don;t have to participate!

dun

 

[Bluestem]

Well said Dun.

 

[BA]

It is the only breed to my knowledge that can never breed up to a fullblood or 1A unlike a lot of 15/16 or 31/32 fullbloods in other breeds.

 

[SEC]

I hear you Dun, but just because Sally Forbes and company kept charging on has nothing to do with the fact that they support crossbreeding. Unless it is an openminded scenario that they won't shut out people like they were shutout.

I appreciate the stamina that the Red Breeders displayed.


Hereford is the other breed that i know of that doesn't allow you to breed up.

 

[dun]

It is the only breed to my knowledge that can never breed up to a fullblood or 1A unlike a lot of 15/16 or 31/32 fullbloods in other breeds.

1A would be the equivilent of the fullbloods, 15/16-31/32 are purebred and would be the equivilent of 1B. Angus (the black ones) and Hereford don;t allow breeding up and I think that Shorthorn after x generations may remove the appendix label, not sure about that, just what I've noticed on some registrations.

dun

 

[SEC]

In Canada, many of the Shorthorn herds are non appendix which caused lots of interest as many American breeders could and would buy these non appendix cattle. I understand that there are lots of appendix cattle in the USA.

The appendix isn't able to be removed.

One of the things that I always appreciated about the Angus breed was that there was no chance of breeding up to be a purebred. I always thought "pure" meant it was clean. I guess it's all in how one wants to decipher things.

 

[dun]

In Canada, many of the Shorthorn herds are non appendix which caused lots of interest as many American breeders could and would buy these non appendix cattle. I understand that there are lots of appendix cattle in the USA.

The appendix isn't able to be removed.

One of the things that I always appreciated about the Angus breed was that there was no chance of breeding up to be a purebred. I always thought "pure" meant it was clean. I guess it's all in how one wants to decipher things.

Wasn;t sure about the appendix. A couple of week-ends ago I looked at 3 shorthorn cows that the guy said weren;t appendix. I checked their lineage and back about 4 generations there was an asterisks on one of the cows. That was why I thought maybe they dumped it after x generations.