Razor Strap

[Tod Dague]

Good or bad it was that razor strop that helped turn me into what I am.

Well, apparently you are in good company dun.
3 pages of responses, and I am the only one to speak against it.

All kids are different. The oldest of mine just needs a raised eye brow, takes after her mother. The younger one takes after me, does seem to be a direct link from her backside to the brain. Some time it just needs a wake up. I don't care how you discipline your child as long as it isn't abusing them and it works. You can use most anything to swat your child and not be abusive, as well you can use most anything to abuse your child. I recon most people on here were not beaten to the point of abuse.

 

[larryshoat]

I think if it leaves a mark that is still there the next day, it was too much. With my daughter spanking was not very effective, she was so stubburn she would just turn around and give me the look of " there I survived that". The most effective way to disipline her was to put her by herself with nothing to do for about 30 minutes, everyday for a week. It seemed you had to wait for her to get over being mad, then apply some punishment. What they have to learn is that their actions have consequences, they need to learn to hate the consequences enough to cause them to govern their actions. I think they need to know after the punishment that they are forgiven. I'm no expert, just some random thoughts.

Larry

 

[larryshoat]

My mother usually used a belt on us when needed but dad used what ever was handy.Out of seven of us we turned out pretty sucessfull,and with no brain damage.
Myself when my kids were little I used a swat on the butt.Except my oldest daughter all I had to do is just be upset with her and it tore her little heart out. Still does.
What will really get me upset is to see a parent smacking a child about the head. Do this around me and you got me to smack around too. :mad: :mad:

Cal

My guess is along with yours.

Good post Cal.

Larry

 

[chrisy]

Good or bad it was that razor strop that helped turn me into what I am.

Well, apparently you are in good company dun.
3 pages of responses, and I am the only one to speak against it.

I think I did...in around about way, I agree with you angie there is no need to use any form of instrument to hit a child not even a hand or fist. I can't see how you can tell a child not to hit and do the same thing yourself. My son was a right SOB when he was young and I have mentioned it before, but now he is the nicest young man you could meet, and we never took a hand or anything to him, if we had of I don't think it would have worked, it was the company he kept, and thankfully he doesn't go around with the lowlife he used to. A few good words and a touch of TLC always works in the end it would seem.

 

[Bez+]

Someone uses a razor strap on one of mine, and they better have a good time of it.
It will be the last thing they experience. Cross my heart.

Interesting comment above.

Back when I was a boy I had it laid on regular like - usually because I got caught. :D

The big problem was keeping the folks at home from finding out what happened at school - when they did I got it again - and usually worse. The dreaded note from the teacher would be delivered because the teacher would follow up if there was no response from the parents.

I sometimes wonder if the comment written simply illustrates a part of the problem we have with discipline today.

Folks afraid to use discipline of ANY kind if only because the parents then charge to the rescue of innocent Johnny and Suzie - when in fact those kids probably needed a good swift kick in the @ss by the parents in the first place - which seldom if ever happens today.

Would you have used a lawyer or the police Angie?

Or would you simply punch the teacher out and give some candy to the kid in reward for bad behaviour?

We are often our own worst enemy and live to reap what we sow.

Bez+

 

[FarmGirl10]

One thing I will say on this subject is that punishment in necessary.

My dad refused to yell at/punish any of us, something about his dad being very strict. I know a toned down version of my grandpa well enough to know that it probably was worse than most of you probably had. So my dad left everything up to my mom, and she got blamed as the mean/bad parent. And two oldest of my brothers have turned out pretty crappy because of it. My dad refused to make my dumb oldest brother to pay to fix my truck after he dented it four times. It wasn't even an accident, he was drunk and pissed so he kicked and/or punched it. My dad also does what Bez said, he rewards bad behavior.

 

[john250]

I got the belt, once. I really deserved it, having been a pouty kid while we visited an elderly couple (meaning they were about 50-55). It was as traumatic for my dad as for me. I shaped up and he never had to do it again.
I swatted my daughter--open palm on the fanny, not over my knee--because she was being willfully disobedient about taking a shower, brush your teeth, etc. One swat and I never had to do that again. Thank goodness.
I guess my family falls closer to angie's end of the spectrum, but we don't rule swatting out entirely.

 

[curtis]

I think if it leaves a mark that is still there the next day, it was too much. With my daughter spanking was not very effective, she was so stubburn she would just turn around and give me the look of " there I survived that". The most effective way to disipline her was to put her by herself with nothing to do for about 30 minutes, everyday for a week. It seemed you had to wait for her to get over being mad, then apply some punishment. What they have to learn is that their actions have consequences, they need to learn to hate the consequences enough to cause them to govern their actions. I think they need to know after the punishment that they are forgiven. I'm no expert, just some random thoughts.

Larry

The marks that were still there the next day was a very good reminder not to ever do what you did again.

 

[larryshoat]

I think if it leaves a mark that is still there the next day, it was too much. With my daughter spanking was not very effective, she was so stubburn she would just turn around and give me the look of " there I survived that". The most effective way to disipline her was to put her by herself with nothing to do for about 30 minutes, everyday for a week. It seemed you had to wait for her to get over being mad, then apply some punishment. What they have to learn is that their actions have consequences, they need to learn to hate the consequences enough to cause them to govern their actions. I think they need to know after the punishment that they are forgiven. I'm no expert, just some random thoughts.

Larry

The marks that were still there the next day was a very good reminder not to ever do what you did again.

I knew somebody would say that, but I think you have to have an objective limit and to me that is it, doesn't mean I'm right, it's just what I think. That being said you can never lose control as a parent and you have to do what you have to do to keep order. I think everybody here would agree that there has to be a limit, but it sounds like where that is varies a good bit.

Curtis, what do you consider to be too much?

Larry

 

[curtis]

I think if it leaves a mark that is still there the next day, it was too much. With my daughter spanking was not very effective, she was so stubburn she would just turn around and give me the look of " there I survived that". The most effective way to disipline her was to put her by herself with nothing to do for about 30 minutes, everyday for a week. It seemed you had to wait for her to get over being mad, then apply some punishment. What they have to learn is that their actions have consequences, they need to learn to hate the consequences enough to cause them to govern their actions. I think they need to know after the punishment that they are forgiven. I'm no expert, just some random thoughts.

Larry

The marks that were still there the next day was a very good reminder not to ever do what you did again.

I knew somebody would say that, but I think you have to have an objective limit and to me that is it, doesn't mean I'm right, it's just what I think. That being said you can never lose control as a parent and you have to do what you have to do to keep order. I think everybody here would agree that there has to be a limit, but it sounds like where that is varies a good bit.

Curtis, what do you consider to be too much?

Larry

Knocked out cold from being hit on the head, that's too much. Never hit on the head.
If there was more discipline at home the jails and prisons wouldn't be as crowded.

 

[Red Bull Breeder]

Never had a whipping i didn't have coming. Alot of talk on this thread about doing this or that for punishment. No video games, No TV, sitting in the corner, go to you bedroom. You are grounded form this or that. If your kids got enough chore's to do they won't have time for any of that. And likely wouldn't have been in trouble to start with. If i beat on some one i will use my fist, depending on size of other fellar might need to up grade to a axe handle. If i whip my kid i will use a belt.

 

[angie1]

Would you have used a lawyer or the police Angie?
Or would you simply punch the teacher out and give some candy to the kid in reward for bad behaviour?
Bez+

First of all, if I came across in any of my posts as condescending, self-righteous and sarcastic as you have in this one (or at all) ~ then let me be the first to apologize.

The rest I will disregard. I assume you would do as much to any response I had.

 

[angie1]

I guess my family falls closer to angie's end of the spectrum, but we don't rule swatting out entirely.

I do not rule out swatting. My kids have had their own butts smacked. I am against taking a belt/leather strap/stick etc., and beating them with it.

 

[Bez+]

Would you have used a lawyer or the police Angie?
Or would you simply punch the teacher out and give some candy to the kid in reward for bad behaviour?
Bez+

First of all, if I came across in any of my posts as condescending, self-righteous and sarcastic as you have in this one (or at all) ~ then let me be the first to apologize.

The rest I will disregard. I assume you would do as much to any response I had.

Actually you often do - but I never expect an apology - however I do want to thank you for it - otherwise it would seem I was ungrateful.

I do love getting a response from you when I write - often it is quite interesting.

I never disregard your posts - I just read them and sometimes wonder how you can even think like you do.

Which in turn means you make my day when you answer - because you always do - don't you.

C'mon - you love me - tell the truth - and you would miss me if I was gone.

Have a good one my dear

Bez+

 

[peg4x4]

Actions have reactions-good as well as bad-good is rewarded,bad is punished somehow. How you do either is pretty much up to you and the kid. if a spat works-good. if takeing away privlages works-good. If what you're doing isn't working-try something else.
Loved my kids,wanted to kill them sometimes..Didn't-started with three,still have three..

 

[angie1]

C'mon - you love me - tell the truth - and you would miss me if I was gone.

Have a good one my dear

Bez+

Well, you were bound to catch on sooner or later ("Me thinks the lady doth protest too much" and all that crap.....).

Back atcha on the "good one" DollBaby.