Pot belly updated pics

I like the feed pen you have setup, it's nice they can eat in the shade. The sick one reminded me of a sick yearling we had several years back. He acted ill but didn't have the normal droopy ears and hanging head. I gave him a shot of Draxxin at the vets advice but it didn't do any good. I felt like he had a belly issue so gave him Dex and tubed him with a probiotic. The probiotic was green and in a 2 gallon jug. Had to give the probiotic 3 times but it fixed him up. Good luck with this bunch.

EDIT:they don't look too potbellied. They'll grow out of it.
Yea I’m currently headed to give him some oral CMPK and power punch to try and get home some nutrients. Gave him some molasses and probio today and yesterday. The heat almost killed him today, had to move him inside the barn. He was standing outside next to the fan we have for him his hanging, tongue out, drooling. Cooled him off with water, got a bottle of electrolytes and he chugged it down
 

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WARNING.... this is JUST MY OPINION......
Will he take a bottle? If so, put him back on milk for awhile. It will soothe his stomach, he will absorb nutrients from it, and it will help to keep him hydrated if he will drink it. He is still a baby regardless of the Bull sh!t story, the seller told you. I am betting he is not 8-10 weeks old (by his looks)....
 
WARNING.... this is JUST MY OPINION......
Will he take a bottle? If so, put him back on milk for awhile. It will soothe his stomach, he will absorb nutrients from it, and it will help to keep him hydrated if he will drink it. He is still a baby regardless of the Bull sh!t story, the seller told you. I am betting he is not 8-10 weeks old (by his looks)....
He took a bottle of electrolytes very easy. And some water later from a bottle. The thing is, he was doing good until he got scours about 4 weeks ago and he had been off milk at that time for at least 2 weeks that I know for sure. He was eating hay, grain, grass really good. He got the scours and we gave electrolytes and milk for almost a week.. it’s been downhill since then regarding his weight. I had two vets tell me going back to milk is probably what screwed up his rumen function and told me DO NOT go back to milk since it’s been so long since he’s been on it. Apparently the rumen can’t digest it and since he’s been off milk for so long, it will go into his rumen and not his abomasum like it would before he was “weaned”. Idk, on Friday I decided to put him in a calf hutch and bottle feed him for as long as it took and then that’s when we ended up at the vet and they told me absolutely not and gave me a “corrective” mix of meds for his rumen to try and get it going
 
WARNING.... this is JUST MY OPINION......
Will he take a bottle? If so, put him back on milk for awhile. It will soothe his stomach, he will absorb nutrients from it, and it will help to keep him hydrated if he will drink it. He is still a baby regardless of the Bull sh!t story, the seller told you. I am betting he is not 8-10 weeks old (by his looks)....
He just passed away. Gave him the best shot we knew how.
 
Sorry to read this... but considering the whole situation, not overly surprising. Sometimes they are just too compromised and then throwing all different things at them is just not enough.

Please do not buy anything else from this person.....

If you are wanting to buy calves to raise, then buy them from someone with them having gone across the scales, and are all the same size, structure... preferably that are weaned 45-60 days...
You would be better off to spend some time at the sale/stockyard... look for calves that are "all one owner", weaned and vaxx.... in the 400-500 lb range. Which will be your most costly calves too.... But you have a better chance of them being what they say. Or find someone local that you trust, and tell them what you want... and let them find you some. Or get someone like that to go to the stockyard with and watch and LISTEN to what they say when calves come through the ring.
You will buy heifers cheaper than steer calves.... get less when they sell, but less money in them.

Don't know what you paid for these calves... and they look to be a diverse group as far as for size... I am going to do a "balance sheet" so to speak.... just for shts and grins....
$purchase price = $600/hd x 8 calves=$4800 total invested........Loss of 2 calves = -$1200.
Vet visits and drugs, extras like electrolytes and such..... -$300.... Okay, then add in feed you have purchased... 1 ton at -$300........ so you already have $1800 spent/lost... Now you are down to 6 calves that have to return at least $6600 just to BREAK EVEN if you never spend another out of pocket penny on them. That is $1100 a head for 6 calves... Not figuring in the cost of the chute which you ought to be able to get your money back out of it without a problem, and if you keep cattle, will "pay for its self" in using it so we won't "charge that" against these calves. NOT COUNTING the value of the land if you rented it out instead...or the taxes you pay on it even if you own it outright.... all this is part of the "cost " of inputs into the livestock.
The figures are probably not right since you did not say what they cost and certainly don't have to share that... and I am not listing all them....
BUT, if you bought 8 calves for say $800/hd, so $6400; no losses, no vet bills or drugs except for some vaccines, same amount of grain -$400...so had $6800 in them.....and they sold for $1000/hd ... you would get $8000 back for them.... so would be ahead of the game...

This is a very simplistic, and not at all complete comparison...but do you see what I am trying to say.... It is all in the buying end... and unless you are very long time experienced with calves/cattle and problems, then these "good deals" are going to turn out very costly... sadly, as you have found out.

I am NOT trying to discourage you.... and there are learning curves for everyone and even the most experienced farmers/ranchers have losses and problems... but it is hard to see a relatively "newcomer" with the enthusiasm you have, get screwed over on the initial purchase because you don't know what you are really doing, or what you NEED to be looking for.

If this does nothing else, it has taught you some valuable lessons, expensive ones, and you will most likely not make them a second time.

The other thing, please understand that the cattle market is at/near it's peak.... prices we have never seen before. It can't sustain these prices in the long term because people cannot afford the cost of the beef in the grocery store. Inflation is hurting people and will continue to get worse if we stay on this path. When the price of cattle drops, even if it goes from the current ...say $3.00 /lb for 500 lb calves, and $2.50/lb for 7-8 wt calves... down $1.00/lb....to say $2.00 and $1.75..... the costs of inputs, is NOT going to drop comparably..... it is unlikely corn will go down much below the $4.00 bushel level and soybeans below $10....sure there will be some swings... BUT not as dramatic... the cost of wages is not going to go down, the cost of vaccines, etc are not going to go down... and the cost of feed from a feed mill is not going to drop the same percentage... so you will be operating on a much tighter budget and losing even one calf could be about your total "profit" on the group overall...
Many of us on here, have seen the $.75-1.00/lb for 500 lb feeders, and have seen the $.35-.50 /lb for cull cows in the past compared to the $1.25-1.50 that they are worth now. Another reason for older farmers to get the he// out of cattle when it is high.... and younger farmers not able to get in without losing their shirt... yes, that reduces the available #'s for future so should hold prices higher on feeders... but if there are no buyers because the beef is too expensive, there is no demand, and the prices will drop regardless of the fewer numbers...

I give you credit for trying as hard as you have to do right and take proper care of these calves... I hope that you can at least make back what you have in them and maybe even a little profit.... and can learn from this and want to keep being a farmer.....
 
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Sorry to read this... but considering the whole situation, not overly surprising. Sometimes they are just too compromised and then throwing all different things at them is just not enough.

Please do not buy anything else from this person.....

If you are wanting to buy calves to raise, then buy them from someone with them having gone across the scales, and are all the same size, structure... preferably that are weaned 45-60 days...
You would be better off to spend some time at the sale/stockyard... look for calves that are "all one owner", weaned and vaxx.... in the 400-500 lb range. Which will be your most costly calves too.... But you have a better chance of them being what they say. Or find someone local that you trust, and tell them what you want... and let them find you some. Or get someone like that to go to the stockyard with and watch and LISTEN to what they say when calves come through the ring.
You will buy heifers cheaper than steer calves.... get less when they sell, but less money in them.

Don't know what you paid for these calves... and they look to be a diverse group as far as for size... I am going to do a "balance sheet" so to speak.... just for shts and grins....
$purchase price = $600/hd x 8 calves=$4800 total invested........Loss of 2 calves = -$1200.
Vet visits and drugs, extras like electrolytes and such..... -$300.... Okay, then add in feed you have purchased... 1 ton at -$300........ so you already have $1800 spent/lost... Now you are down to 6 calves that have to return at least $6600 just to BREAK EVEN if you never spend another out of pocket penny on them. That is $1100 a head for 6 calves... Not figuring in the cost of the chute which you ought to be able to get your money back out of it without a problem, and if you keep cattle, will "pay for its self" in using it so we won't "charge that" against these calves. NOT COUNTING the value of the land if you rented it out instead...or the taxes you pay on it even if you own it outright.... all this is part of the "cost " of inputs into the livestock.
The figures are probably not right since you did not say what they cost and certainly don't have to share that... and I am not listing all them....
BUT, if you bought 8 calves for say $800/hd, so $6400; no losses, no vet bills or drugs except for some vaccines, same amount of grain -$400...so had $6800 in them.....and they sold for $1000/hd ... you would get $8000 back for them.... so would be ahead of the game...

This is a very simplistic, and not at all complete comparison...but do you see what I am trying to say.... It is all in the buying end... and unless you are very long time experienced with calves/cattle and problems, then these "good deals" are going to turn out very costly... sadly, as you have found out.

I am NOT trying to discourage you.... and there are learning curves for everyone and even the most experienced farmers/ranchers have losses and problems... but it is hard to see a relatively "newcomer" with the enthusiasm you have, get screwed over on the initial purchase because you don't know what you are really doing, or what you NEED to be looking for.

If this does nothing else, it has taught you some valuable lessons, expensive ones, and you will most likely not make them a second time.

The other thing, please understand that the cattle market is at/near it's peak.... prices we have never seen before. It can't sustain these prices in the long term because people cannot afford the cost of the beef in the grocery store. Inflation is hurting people and will continue to get worse if we stay on this path. When the price of cattle drops, even if it goes from the current ...say $3.00 /lb for 500 lb calves, and $2.50/lb for 7-8 wt calves... down $1.00/lb....to say $2.00 and $1.75..... the costs of inputs, is NOT going to drop comparably..... it is unlikely corn will go down much below the $4.00 bushel level and soybeans below $10....sure there will be some swings... BUT not as dramatic... the cost of wages is not going to go down, the cost of vaccines, etc are not going to go down... and the cost of feed from a feed mill is not going to drop the same percentage... so you will be operating on a much tighter budget and losing even one calf could be about your total "profit" on the group overall...
Many of us on here, have seen the $.75-1.00/lb for 500 lb feeders, and have seen the $.35-.50 /lb for cull cows in the past compared to the $1.25-1.50 that they are worth now. Another reason for older farmers to get the he// out of cattle when it is high.... and younger farmers not able to get in without losing their shirt... yes, that reduces the available #'s for future so should hold prices higher on feeders... but if there are no buyers because the beef is too expensive, there is no demand, and the prices will drop regardless of the fewer numbers...

I give you credit for trying as hard as you have to do right and take proper care of these calves... I hope that you can at least make back what you have in them and maybe even a little profit.... and can learn from this and want to keep being a farmer.....
Thank you for taking the time to write all this. I'm cool being transparent! I bought 11hd at $600 each. My plan was to grow out to 500-700 depending on the market at the time. I have been keeping track of all expenses for sure and mileage, etc. I have gotten lucky on a few things (bought a $300 calf tilt table and sold it a month later for $1,300). But then losses and expenses as well. I definitely am learning a lot and I have been going to the local sale barn every Monday and just sitting and watching so that I can learn what I am looking for and what makes the difference between a premium and a discount. I did get in at the high for sure. I was hoping getting a "good" deal was going to help make up for it in some way but here we are. I am considering trying some bred cows next so they can raise the calves but I can still have babies on the place.

I absolutely love animals and I am just doing this as a hobby, hoping to make a few bucks but not trying to replace my income or anything. But experience is the best teacher and I am learning a ton as well.
 
Stick with it.... sounds like you have some good common sense, and at least you are not afraid or on too tight a string, to neglect taking them to a vet if need be. I am glad to hear you are spending time at the stockyards and watching and learning...
Yeah, expensive lessons..... keeping track of all your expenses is really good... and you will learn where things can be saved and where money is better spent. And deals like the calf table help to take some of the sting out of it... that went a LOOOONNNG way to buying your squeeze chute... good for you....

A word to the wise..... IF you decide to go the cow calf route... know it is going to be the LEAST gross money maker there is.... UNTIL.... the market cycles down and you can buy in at the lower end and cull cow prices are back down well below the $.75-1.00 lb range. And the turn around time is much LONGER.... 9 months preg, 5-8 months age of the calves before weaning or at least pulling off and being sold as feeder animals...so even if you buy "heavy breds" , in the 6-8 month range... you are looking at a year before any return; and unweaned "bawlers" are going to bring less than weaned (30-45 day minimum) calves... Heifers bring less than steers and you don't know what they are going to have most times....
Again, if you decide to try breds.... get OLDER cows.... 5-6-8 yrs old at least....... preferably from a complete herd dispersal..... and the "old ladies" that are preg or with a new calf by their side are old for a good reason..... they did their job year in and year out......You do NOT want 1st calf heifers, or even 2nd calf cows.... mainly due to the "experience factor".... one of you has to know what to do with as little fuss as possible...
 
He took a bottle of electrolytes very easy. And some water later from a bottle. The thing is, he was doing good until he got scours about 4 weeks ago and he had been off milk at that time for at least 2 weeks that I know for sure. He was eating hay, grain, grass really good. He got the scours and we gave electrolytes and milk for almost a week.. it's been downhill since then regarding his weight. I had two vets tell me going back to milk is probably what screwed up his rumen function and told me DO NOT go back to milk since it's been so long since he's been on it. Apparently the rumen can't digest it and since he's been off milk for so long, it will go into his rumen and not his abomasum like it would before he was "weaned". Idk, on Friday I decided to put him in a calf hutch and bottle feed him for as long as it took and then that's when we ended up at the vet and they told me absolutely not and gave me a "corrective" mix of meds for his rumen to try and get it going
I will respect the advice the vets gave you even though I do not agree with it.... I would put it at a possible coccidia scours to start with.... 3-8 weeks is prime time for that.... and if he can absorb nutrients from a bottle of electrolytes, he could absorb them from the milk... calves on beef cows do it for 5-10 months, on cows all the time... I did not say to go back to just milk..... and yes the abomasum would have shrunk some... but it does on calves out on beef cows too... and they still get food value from milk or they wouldn't get as fat and sassy as they do on a cow out to pasture....
You cannot give milk and electrolytes together and should not give it within 4 hours of each other either... counter productive...
If I may ask, what was the "corrective mix of meds".... would be interesting to know as a possible way to get a calf to get his rumen working down the road....
TOO much milk can do as much harm as not enough.... and cause scours faster than you can blink if the weather is also a stressor.....
Doesn't matter now.... and you have to follow the advice of the vet you are paying to hopefully keep your calf alive....
 
I will respect the advice the vets gave you even though I do not agree with it.... I would put it at a possible coccidia scours to start with.... 3-8 weeks is prime time for that.... and if he can absorb nutrients from a bottle of electrolytes, he could absorb them from the milk... calves on beef cows do it for 5-10 months, on cows all the time... I did not say to go back to just milk..... and yes the abomasum would have shrunk some... but it does on calves out on beef cows too... and they still get food value from milk or they wouldn't get as fat and sassy as they do on a cow out to pasture....
You cannot give milk and electrolytes together and should not give it within 4 hours of each other either... counter productive...
If I may ask, what was the "corrective mix of meds".... would be interesting to know as a possible way to get a calf to get his rumen working down the road....
TOO much milk can do as much harm as not enough.... and cause scours faster than you can blink if the weather is also a stressor.....
Doesn't matter now.... and you have to follow the advice of the vet you are paying to hopefully keep your calf alive....
Yea it wa hard trying to figure it out. You guys with experience would say bottle feed and my gut said it too but my brain said to trust the person that went to school to tell me what to do.. but then again I don’t always trust doctors either so I guess I’ll learn with vets they aren’t always right either.

I’ll see if the vet will send me the info on the mix, it was pink like kaolin but had white spots in it too and the bottle she gave me didn’t say what it was, just had directions to feed 10ml per day for 8 days and her name and vet location etc.
 

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