New Tractor ?

WLKRTXRNGR

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I've got 80 acres in East Texas (Anderson Co). New to this. 35 acres of pasture and 45 in timber. Going to have a few horses and some cattle when pastures etc are ready for em. My question is what size tractor is adequate and what features or accessories have ya'll found to be most useful / can't do withouts!

Appreciate any insights and suggestions... Thanks!

Mike
 
WLKRTXRNGR":1m1guzlv said:
I've got 80 acres in East Texas (Anderson Co). New to this. 35 acres of pasture and 45 in timber. Going to have a few horses and some cattle when pastures etc are ready for em. My question is what size tractor is adequate and what features or accessories have ya'll found to be most useful / can't do withouts!

Well, that's kind of an open ended question ya got there :P

What do you intend to do with your tractor? Is is going to be used mainly for fencing and working in your timber, along with feeding a few bales? If those are the main jobs, you might consider a larger skid loader with suitable attachments instead of a smaller tractor :idea:

If you plan to harvest hay on your own land or elsewhere, you would need a tractor large enough to run your equipment and handle whatever size mower and baler you choose.

So for starters on this discussion, if going with new, I would suggest around a 50hp+/- open station mfwd tractor with loader and bucket. Personally, I would not want a loader bucket without a grapple. If going with a good older tractor, a larger 2wd can be had for a lot less money. Just depends on your needs and desires.

A hobby rancher here just bought a new 45hp Kubota mfwd and loader, along with a new 5' rotary mower. He really likes his new tractor and has been wanting one for a long time. He plans to add other equipment as he goes along, such as a hydraulic post hole digger. He comes from way back east to tend his 400 acres and stays about 3 months every summer to fix up the place and works with his 6 horses. The place was very run down when he took over and it's just amazing to see what he can accomplish in the short time he is here each year.

You can likely pick up some very serviceable used equipment if you take your time and shop around, and attend a few retirement/estate auctions. And if you decide to go new, make the dealers compete for your business :2cents:
 
greybeard":3545gk1f said:
It's that "chores" that's gonna get you. 50 hp with loader is bare minimum--45hp maybe, if you're carefull.

I agree. I was thinking along the lines of a TN65 or its equivalent. My TN65 with loader is my go to tractor for most jobs. I bought mine used and have never had a minutes trouble with it and its great on fuel.
 
I agree that you need a 50hp or larger
65 to 70 hp preferably something that you can pull a bigger mower with and still have enough wt to lift,pull and carry anything you neec
You will regret going to small never heard many people complain about having to much power but sure have if their tractor was too small
Just my opinion
 
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greybeard":1iarfpn5 said:
It's that "chores" that's gonna get you. 50 hp with loader is bare minimum--45hp maybe, if you're carefull.

For "chores", I think I would still favor a good sized skid steer over a small mfwd tractor as long as there is no PTO work or tillage involved :idea: My cousin has a pretty good sized JD skid loader. He easily handles full size 5x6 bales with it.

I've seen those mowers that mount on the front of a skid steer but never run one. Looks almost as handy as a zero turn 8) All kinds of attachments are availble for skid steers nowdays. My cousin also has a rotary cultivator for his skid steer to cultivate trees.
 
John SD":10w652ea said:
greybeard":10w652ea said:
It's that "chores" that's gonna get you. 50 hp with loader is bare minimum--45hp maybe, if you're carefull.

For "chores", I think I would still favor a good sized skid steer over a small mfwd tractor as long as there is no PTO work or tillage involved :idea: My cousin has a pretty good sized JD skid loader. He easily handles full size 5x6 bales with it.

I've seen those mowers that mount on the front of a skid steer but never run one. Looks almost as handy as a zero turn 8) All kinds of attachments are availble for skid steers nowdays. My cousin also has a rotary cultivator for his skid steer to cultivate trees.
Yep all kibds of attachments but they are all kinds of $$$ also
Plus you will wind up spending $30 to $40k to get a skidsteer with Hi Flow hydraulics that it takes to run a mower and some of the other attachments
Some attachments only require reg flo but some require hi flow such as mulching heads and mowers
Plus maintenance on a skidsteer is 3 times higher pr hr than on a tractor
 
Once you start your going to want to do more than now grass. 50 hp plus .
I'm going to add I'd rather have 2 good used tractors than one new one. You have a backup in case of a break down. Saves time on swapping out attachments. Tell your wife one's hers, I bet she likes it. :2cents:
 
Thank you all for the great info! I'd been warned off of used tractors being maintenance nightmares but I guess its like anything else, depends on what you get and how it was maintained and used... I've looked at Kubotas and New Hollands. I did see some interesting reviews of Mahindras out performing but I'd never heard of that brand before - remember I'm very new to this. I tend to take very good care of equipment (always conscious of what it cost me to purchase!). I liked the WorkMaster (seems rugged and no frills that I won't miss (a lot of bells and whistles added to tractors since I was last on em in the early 90s!). I really want my wife to be able to embrace and take part and think we may need something with automatic transmission to keep her safe on it (especially if I'm on the ground in front of her!!!!!!!!!)... I appreciate y'all sharing your thoughts, the last thing I want to do is make a costly mistake so I can't thank you enough! Great people on this site!

Got my first bit of bad news - went out to look over the land and saw I had a visitor since last out there - someone came on to the property and cut down a stand of red cedar - judging by what they cut, I guess they wanted some fence posts.... The new number 1 spot on my to-do list - GATES AND CHAINS...

Mike
 
WLKRTXRNGR":1t7wm5tu said:
Thank you all for the great info! I'd been warned off of used tractors being maintenance nightmares but I guess its like anything else, depends on what you get and how it was maintained and used... I've looked at Kubotas and New Hollands. I did see some interesting reviews of Mahindras out performing but I'd never heard of that brand before - remember I'm very new to this. I tend to take very good care of equipment (always conscious of what it cost me to purchase!). I liked the WorkMaster (seems rugged and no frills that I won't miss (a lot of bells and whistles added to tractors since I was last on em in the early 90s!). I really want my wife to be able to embrace and take part and think we may need something with automatic transmission to keep her safe on it (especially if I'm on the ground in front of her!!!!!!!!!)... I appreciate y'all sharing your thoughts, the last thing I want to do is make a costly mistake so I can't thank you enough! Great people on this site!

Got my first bit of bad news - went out to look over the land and saw I had a visitor since last out there - someone came on to the property and cut down a stand of red cedar - judging by what they cut, I guess they wanted some fence posts.... The new number 1 spot on my to-do list - GATES AND CHAINS...

Mike

AND POSTED SIGNS

You should also report cuttings to the local authorities! If nothing else, to establish a record of what is happening.
 
WLKRTXRNGR":3rde5spx said:
Thank you all for the great info! I'd been warned off of used tractors being maintenance nightmares but I guess its like anything else, depends on what you get and how it was maintained and used... I've looked at Kubotas and New Hollands. I did see some interesting reviews of Mahindras out performing but I'd never heard of that brand before - remember I'm very new to this. I tend to take very good care of equipment (always conscious of what it cost me to purchase!). I liked the WorkMaster (seems rugged and no frills that I won't miss (a lot of bells and whistles added to tractors since I was last on em in the early 90s!). I really want my wife to be able to embrace and take part and think we may need something with automatic transmission to keep her safe on it (especially if I'm on the ground in front of her!!!!!!!!!)... I appreciate y'all sharing your thoughts, the last thing I want to do is make a costly mistake so I can't thank you enough! Great people on this site!

Got my first bit of bad news - went out to look over the land and saw I had a visitor since last out there - someone came on to the property and cut down a stand of red cedar - judging by what they cut, I guess they wanted some fence posts.... The new number 1 spot on my to-do list - GATES AND CHAINS...

Mike
The 50-60 HP range is good, pretty much what I have gotten by with on my place the whole time I have dealt with it. Got 62 PTO HP right now. A loader is a handy tool to have. If you buy one without a loader make sure you get something that you would be happy with putting a loader on later, most you can.

On the Mahandra's there have been some dealers going out around here so if buying one just make sure you don't mind driving or ordering parts. Personally I would stick with one of the major brands putting emphasis on what is near you. I not sure what you mea by automatic but shuttle shifts are nice.
 
I agree with most of the advice you’ve gotten here, but disagree with whoever told you that used tractors are a maintenance nightmare. That hasn’t been my experience. I have a John Deere from the 1970’s, and two Deutz tractors from the 1980’s, and while they likely need more attention than new ones would, it certainly hasn’t been a nightmare, although finding parts for the Deutz is getting to be a problem. They’re good tractors, but never really caught on, at least in my part of the country. Whether you buy new or used, I’d definitely stick with an established brand, such as John Deere, New Holland, or Kubota.
As far as size, I’d suggest minimum 45 horsepower, and don’t repeat a mistake I see a lot of people make by putting a 5’ or 6’ shredder behind a tractor that will handle one much larger. I pull a 15’ batwing behind a 60 hp tractor, and it does just fine. It may not pull it as fast as some people like to go, but I’d rather move slower and cover more ground with each pass. It’s easier on me and the equipment. I do have a 6’ mower, but I only use it for under trees and in the woods, where I can’t get with the larger one.
And I see a lot of people buy a box blade to maintain their driveway. I’m likely stepping on some toes here, but a box blade is the wrong piece of equipment for that purpose. Get a blade that you can change angles (I don’t know what they’re called but they’re similar to a large road grader, or maintainer, but with a much smaller blade, generally 5’ or 6’). While it’s more difficult to learn to use than a box blade, you can do a much better job. A road needs to have a crown on it (be higher in the middle and sloping to each side). You can’t do that with a box blade. Also, when a road gets holes in it, you need to be able to cut down to the bottom of the hole, then spread the material back out. Again, can’t do it with a box blade. All you can do with one of them is to drag loose material into the hole, and that won’t hold up. If it sounds like this is a pet peeve of mine, you’re probably right. You may have a paved driveway, or a very short one, so it doesn’t matter anyway.
As far as essential equipment, I’d also say a front-end loader, with a bucket and forks, and a mower. I doubt very much that you’ll need hay equipment for your amount of acreage. Buy your hay. If you’re going to get a post-hole digger, get a good one. My neighbor has a little rinky-dink one that won’t dig a large or deep hole. He buys 8’ posts for his corners, but then only puts them 2’ into the ground for a barbed wire fence. I’ll leave that subject now before I go off on a tangent about bad fence-building practices.
 
I don't buy new tractors. I buy new trucks, and drive them till their gone though. I've Ben farming a long time to, and I'm only on my 3rd tractor. The first two were bought used, and keep 10, and 15 years. Both were sold for what I gave for them, or more. I don't think I could say that about a new one. I shopped new a couple of years ago. Everything looked cheap to me. These new ones may be just fine. I just couldn't see it. My :2cents:
 
I suggest 65+ hp . We have a 45hp that is to small for most real jobs. For a do everything tractor I would want 4wd with a loader. For a automatic transmission deere has the ivt but sure how small they go. I see no problem with used just have someone look it over well. I would stick with one of big 3 for parts and service Deere, Kubota or case/new Holland. Something you might consider is leasing a new one some crazy good deals right now.
 
littletom":12h7rfvp said:
I suggest 65+ hp . We have a 45hp that is to small for most real jobs. For a do everything tractor I would want 4wd with a loader. For a automatic transmission deere has the ivt but sure how small they go. I see no problem with used just have someone look it over well. I would stick with one of big 3 for parts and service Deere, Kubota or case/new Holland. Something you might consider is leasing a new one some crazy good deals right now.

John Deere has some of the 5045E tractors and up for some cheap lease rates going on. The 5045E is like $800 a year with the insurance. They also do the 5055E for around $1300 a year.
 
Interesting - I've not seen any specifics on the leases. I will call around today (JD, NH and K). I'll stick to them and keep the hp over 55! Thanks for the tips - MUCH APPRECIATED!


Mike
 
tom4018":1y3k5fse said:
littletom":1y3k5fse said:
I suggest 65+ hp . We have a 45hp that is to small for most real jobs. For a do everything tractor I would want 4wd with a loader. For a automatic transmission deere has the ivt but sure how small they go. I see no problem with used just have someone look it over well. I would stick with one of big 3 for parts and service Deere, Kubota or case/new Holland. Something you might consider is leasing a new one some crazy good deals right now.

John Deere has some of the 5045E tractors and up for some cheap lease rates going on. The 5045E is like $800 a year with the insurance. They also do the 5055E for around $1300 a year.
Tom not disputing you but would like to know more info on this lease at those prices
$800 a yr won't pay the interest on one of them tractors

I may have to lease 15 or 20 of them and rent them out
I could make a fortune
 
Angus Cowman":375dvmlw said:
Tom not disputing you but would like to know more info on this lease at those prices
$800 a yr won't pay the interest on one of them tractors

I may have to lease 15 or 20 of them and rent them out
I could make a fortune
If you rent them out you would probably lose your donkey on fixing them.
 

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