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[GMN]

Here school volunteers have to get a background check and get fingerprinted, this started about 5 years ago. Plus the person has to pay for it. I volunteered many a years when my kids were younger, and enjoyed it, but now I wouldn't because some of these teachers, rely way too much on the parents to help out with fieldtrips, etc... last trip I went on, I had my son, plus 4 others, and the teacher was alone, it was alot of responsibility, use to be, you went along to spend the time with your own child, not 4 others plus yours. Yep-there many things that have changed greatly in the public school system, and some are not for the better.

GMN

 

[VanC]

All this in the land of the free.

The teachers today have no rights or protection's from the little druggie's.
The parent is screaming not my baby and a high percentage of them are on dope and a Lone Star card. I listed parent cause the baby daddy is not always active in the childs development after conception.
Or better yet lets just shut the school system completely down, save a lot in taxes, let the parents that want there children educated pay for private education, those that don't can waste it on crack. Make you think about having a kid if you were a responsible parent and were going to have to spend an addtional 20 grand a year to educate. The leaches on society can continue breeding like rats sitting on the porch smoking dope.

There are millions of decent, responsible parents, both married and single, that are doing their best to raise their children but can't afford to send them to a private school. If they're lucky they can move somewhere that has decent public schools. If not, they struggle to do the best with what they've got. Some of them might only make 20 grand a year or even less. Kind of hard for them to come up with 20 grand a year to educate their kids. What happens to them?

 

[gimpyrancher]

Let's not forget the unions. They dictate what is to happen. They protect the poor quality teachers. :?

 

[Lammie]

Let's not forget the unions. They dictate what is to happen. They protect the poor quality teachers. :?

I will agree. It is almost impossible to fire a teacher unless he or she does something really bad, and then if they don't have their cert yanked, they go to another disctrict.

 

[Commercialfarmer]

Until my wife had our daughter last year, she always taught in the inner city low income lower schools with drug dealing pimp daddy's and prostitute mama's (unfortunately not kidding), when she could have had much easier positions. She did this because she wanted to make a difference and she didn't baby the little monkeys. With almost drill sargent tactics, she taught them responsibility, did not allow them to give excusses (she treats me the same way :shock: ), but they knew she cared. And for a lot of them, this is the first time they had anyone MAKE them responsible. The system we have developed allows for people to do nothing and breed kids that do nothing. This cycle can be broken. She drilled in their little skulls, that the world owes them NOTHING. Several of her older students (by no means all) have came back to thank her after going on to graduate and such.

The entire purpose of having a free educational system in our Republic, is to teach the population to read and think so that they can vote. If we only care about educating our own kids our Republic will fail over time. Our kids may have a better chance to succeed in the economy, but then a large portion of their income may be unjustly taken to support others- Oh wait, that is where we are already.

I think the current situation of our school system is a symptom of our society's illness. Too many people believed they are owed something. We have made sure that we have separated church and state to the point that it is illegal to pray in mass at a school, but then we want the government to fullfil the Church's duty of Grace. This is backwards. The Churches and charity organizations (and individuals that make them up) should be responsible to reach out to their fellow man and help in hard times- not the government.

Secondly, people need to be responsible for their actions or lack of actions. If you don't work because you are lazy, don't expect a handout. If you commited a crime, expect real punishment. Kid's that can't conform to school, need to be sent to REAL alternative schools. Take the trash out, before the kitchen starts to stink.

On the topic of intelligence and quality of teachers- just like all occupations, there are good, bad, and in between. I know of doctors that their peers wonder how in the heck they were admitted to med school. I don't say this out of defense, but I would wager that my wife has a higher IQ than a majority of the people on this board including me. But I'll never admit that to her. She could do almost anything, but teaching is what she loves.

Quality principals and superintendants don't have a problem weeding out the bad ones and keeping the good. That is what they are paid to do. It is not difficult to get rid of a problem employee and school systems do talk.

Take care.

 

[Lammie]

I would love to agree with that last paragraph, only I can think of three incidents, right this minute, where teachers who were let go were hired at neighboring districts. One of them was accused of having an affair with a high school student. What'd he do? Went to another district and took the girl with him... She wasn't a senior, either.

Is that really the man you want teaching your daughter?

I can think of two other similar incidents to this that have happen in the last ten years.

 

[Commercialfarmer]

That is a problem and by no way am I saying all teachers or administrators are good. If you have ever owned a business where you have to hire several employees, it becomes very clear that the applicant pool today is lacking. I think across the board, school systems in our area do a good job of keeping quality teachers. Are everyone of them superstars, no. But compared to what is out there in our society, they are above average. I don't think as many are as bad and should have the blame placed on them as a lot of people try to do.

Why was there only acusations? Seems like a failure on the part of the local law enforcement as that is a criminal matter. In my statement I said - Quality - the defining term I used that has to be there. We have had a few individuals here interview with a past, the hiring commitees I believe have done a good job of uncovering them. Not difficult, takes a phone call or two and having a few contacts.

Who is in control in the districs you are citing? Citizens vote for school board members, school board members hire principals and superintendents. These hire teachers. So ultimately, responsibility rests with the local citizens. Light a fire under the administrations arse or vote them out, and watch what happens. Good communities and good schools require citizens to be active. Also requires people being committed to something other than sports.

Not being a smart alec: If your schools are questionable, have you thought about running for the school board? I think we sit back and watch too much and then compain about the outcome.

 

[john250]

I would love to agree with that last paragraph, only I can think of three incidents, right this minute, where teachers who were let go were hired at neighboring districts. One of them was accused of having an affair with a high school student. What'd he do? Went to another district and took the girl with him... She wasn't a senior, either.

Is that really the man you want teaching your daughter?

I can think of two other similar incidents to this that have happen in the last ten years.

What subjects did this guy teach?
Here, a lot of aspiring teachers are looking for jobs and having minimal success. But if you are certified in math or chemistry or biology you won't be looking very long. Whether you can teach or not.

 

[VanC]

I would love to agree with that last paragraph, only I can think of three incidents, right this minute, where teachers who were let go were hired at neighboring districts. One of them was accused of having an affair with a high school student. What'd he do? Went to another district and took the girl with him... She wasn't a senior, either.

Is that really the man you want teaching your daughter?

I can think of two other similar incidents to this that have happen in the last ten years.

Here is a perfect example of what you're talking about, Lammie.

http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/ar ... 002e0.html

Very high profile case around here a couple of years ago. Anyone that wants to know more about this pervert can google "Urbana teacher Jon White" and you'll find out more than you want to know.

 

[Lammie]

That incident was not at either of the schools with which I am associated. Thank goodness.

That being said, teachers are human and subject to the stupid choices that humans sometimes make. There should be consequences of their actions, though.

What gets to me is the increasing number of female teachers that are having relationships with young men they teach. And I have to ask myself, male or female: What do these adults see in these children??? I can't think of them, and some of the staff here, as anything but children. I'm old enough to be their mother. That's' depressing when I think that this includes some of the teachers!!!

The teacher in question, John, was a coach. I don't know what else he taught. A coach where my older son went to school, again, a different school, had child porn on his computer. He taught at the junior high. My son dated his daughter for two years. They had a nice home, went to church, had straight A students for kids, and were very strict about the places that my son was allowed to take their daughter. There was usually family in tow on their dates. I liked it. I thought it was a good way to parent these days.

Little did I know...

He not only was fired, but faces criminal charges. His daughters had to drop out of college and the youngest child is still in school. How horrible for them all. It destroyed that family.

 

[highgrit]

As a parent sometimes we need to take the law into are own hands. Just because it's the law doesn't make it right, the victims need to have some rights and say in the punishment of the criminals. Problem is most parents are scared of the law, we are just to liberal thinking anymore. Why don't we hang cattle rustlers, and the rest of the bad guys, it would help are goverment deficeit out. :cboy:

 

[tripleBfarms]

This an easy problem to solve privatize the school system you pay for your kids to go, same thing with the fire dept and police. You don't pay your fee they don't show up when needed. Do away with the tax base, those that pay recieve service those that don't oh well. My problem is we treat the teacher like a criminal and the school is full of them. The three most important profession in our society are the police to provide law, fire for emergency, and teachers to educate the citizenship that will be running our society.

Now Caustic, that wouldn't be politically correct. :roll: