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[Herefords.US]

I have a totally different view on this...

I don't think there is much wrong with the genetics (which happens to be mostly Remitall), but rather with the way the cattle have been managed.

If you overfeed a young child a high carbohydrate diet with lots of sugar and fat, he'll get obese, he will be heavier than his peers, but most likely less healthy, knee and back problems will be encountered more frequently, etc. Simply put, his body just couldn't handle the extra weight and the heart will suffer accordingly.

Same applies to young bulls, only difference there isn't much bragging rights in saying you've got the heaviest 13 year old daughter in town, why brag with the heaviest 12 month old heifer or bull when the feedsack played the major role and the health and productive life of the animal compromised.

In the same way if you push a young sportsman too hard at a young age they are more likely to suffer serious injury usually associated with older sportsman at a much younger age, Martina Hingis being a good example here.

You can tap a young bull to death (figuratively) as well as work him to death in pasture, if he isn't conditioned to do that it just becomes more likely.

I think 24H is sound, whether the way she was bred/flushed made cattle for the real world (without the open feedsack) is another debate alltogether, I'll leave that for Herefordsire to figure out with experience.

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I completely agree!

George

 

[Alan]

And the conspiracy theorists raise their head again!

We've had a lot of UFO reports around Stephenville lately. Y'all got any thoughts about that?

And I swore I saw Elvis in Vegas a couple of years ago.

George

I'm just wondering if these bulls were insured and for how much?

Say hey to Elvis :D

Alan

 

[KNERSIE]

I completely agree!

George

I'm Happy that we can agree for a change. ;-)

 

[Herefords.US]

I completely agree!

George

I'm Happy that we can agree for a change. ;-)

Well, we both can't be Happy! So I guess I'll be Grumpy! :lol:

I'm glad to see that you're obviously doing better, Harley!

 

[Brandonm22]

I wonder if some of these bulls would live longer if we didn't buy semen from them until they were at least seven.

What would that accomplish other then raising the price to redicules levels?

There is no shortage of bulls who lived to age 7. If he can't live to age 7 then there is the high possibility that he wasn't all that good to begin with. I think Knersie is right and these bulls are just too darn fat; and that this is just all really bad management but why take any unnecessary risks??? Longevity is probably more important economically to the industry than trophies or whether some judge liked a bull's grain fattened butt or not. I know that bulls like Northern Rancher's Lad (which died from a freak lightning bolt) would get unduly discriminated against if everybody adopted what I am suggesting; but this IS starting to get absurd.

 

[greenwillowhereford II]

I agree.