MOLER

[DFF]

Looking at DeShazers sale catalog, noticed where MOLER was listed as deceased.
when did this come about? cause of death? this may be old news, just not to me.
thanks DFF

 

[Herefords.US]

Looking at DeShazers sale catalog, noticed where MOLER was listed as deceased.
when did this come about? cause of death? this may be old news, just not to me.
thanks DFF

Moler had a severe back injury. Last time I corresponded with Tim Lockhart about him, he said that they were about to give up on getting him rehabilitated. I guess they did.

George

 

[DOC HARRIS]

Looking at DeShazers sale catalog, noticed where MOLER was listed as deceased.
when did this come about? cause of death? this may be old news, just not to me.
thanks DFF

Moler had a severe back injury. Last time I corresponded with Tim Lockhart about him, he said that they were about to give up on getting him rehabilitated. I guess they did.

George

George-

Having performed Chiropractic Adjustments on several animals, (in addition to people :nod: ) I am VERY curious concerning the REASON(S) WHY and HOW Moler sustained a "back injury!". Do you have any specific information relative to his problems? Do you have ANY information - known to you - in regard to his phenotype - in particular his hind leg and hock angles when he was alive. How old was he at his demise?

Thanks for any particulars you may have regarding his Phenotype and/or the causitive factors of his "back injury(s).

DOC HARRIS

 

[Herefords.US]

George-

Having performed Chiropractic Adjustments on several animals, (in addition to people :nod: ) I am VERY curious concerning the REASON(S) WHY and HOW Moler sustained a "back injury!". Do you have any specific information relative to his problems? Do you have ANY information - known to you - in regard to his phenotype - in particular his hind leg and hock angles when he was alive. How old was he at his demise?

Thanks for any particulars you may have regarding his Phenotype and/or the causitive factors of his "back injury(s).

DOC HARRIS

Have a look for youself, Doc.

I think this link to his video(at a young age) still works:

http://www.cattleinmotion.com/br/moler.html

George

 

[Herefords.US]

Regarding the specifics of how and when the injury was caused, I THINK I know, Doc....but I can't remember if what I heard came from Tim, Fiona, or another source, so I'm not going to repeat it until I can be sure it came from a reliable source.

I know that Tim has followed some posts in this forum in the past, but he and his crew are getting a dispersal sale together in record time, so I doubt he's spending much time surfing the Internet.

I know I tried to get Tim to send me a list of the embryos that they were going to sell before Star Lake's online sale a couple of weeks back, and he asked for a few more days - because they were in the middle of preparing the catalog then.

I suppose if a breeder had an interest in purchasing Moler's semen package in the dispersion, they could ask about the specifics. I don't.

George

 

[farmwife]

The Commercial (lot of registered) catalog is out and the Hereford Bowl catalog is online. I haven't seen the registered catalog yet.

We're interested in the Temple semen, but we can't go to the sale so it's not likely that we will make the purchase.

 

[dun]

The Commercial (lot of registered) catalog is out and the Hereford Bowl catalog is online. I haven't seen the registered catalog yet.

We're interested in the Temple semen, but we can't go to the sale so it's not likely that we will make the purchase.

Why not phone bid and have it shipped?

 

[farmwife]

The Commercial (lot of registered) catalog is out and the Hereford Bowl catalog is online. I haven't seen the registered catalog yet.

We're interested in the Temple semen, but we can't go to the sale so it's not likely that we will make the purchase.

Why not phone bid and have it shipped?

We thinking about that. We would be going to the sale, I'm sure, but that's our big local fair and we'll be busy with showing. We'll see when the registered catalog comes in the mail.

 

[DFF]

The Commercial (lot of registered) catalog is out and the Hereford Bowl catalog is online. I haven't seen the registered catalog yet.

We're interested in the Temple semen, but we can't go to the sale so it's not likely that we will make the purchase.

Why not phone bid and have it shipped?

We thinking about that. We would be going to the sale, I'm sure, but that's our big local fair and we'll be busy with showing. We'll see when the registered catalog comes in the mail.

You can view it online, I saw it on Reeds website, its probally on DeShazers as well. quite lengthy I have to say

 

[Herefords.US]

Here's the link to the Dispersal Catalog:

http://www.cattleinmotion.com/dcc/080915/

The Bull Sale the next day:

http://www.cattleinmotion.com/dcc/080916/

The Hereford Bowl the day before:

http://www.cattleinmotion.com/dcc/080914/

So far, it looks like the only videos available are for the Hereford Bowl.

George

 

[dun]

Since you did such a good job at finding those links, how about finding the catalog llink for Lonker's Hereford dispersal

 

[greenwillowhereford II]

I have all three DeShazer catalogs. The Hereford Bowl has a DVD in the back.

 

[Herefords.US]

Since you did such a good job at finding those links, how about finding the catalog llink for Lonker's Hereford dispersal

Probably a little early for the catalog yet, dun.

Here is the info though:

http://www.lonker.com/sale/index.html

They'll probably have a link there as soon as the catalog is ready.

Probably another sale where there will be some bargains to be had.

George

 

[dun]

Since you did such a good job at finding those links, how about finding the catalog llink for Lonker's Hereford dispersal

Probably a little early for the catalog yet, dun.

Here is the info though:

http://www.lonker.com/sale/index.html

They'll probably have a link there as soon as the catalog is ready.

Probably another sale where there will be some bargains to be had.

George

That's all I was able to find too. I think I'm still on their mailing list so with any luck I'll get a catalog in the mail

 

[HerefordSire]

Looking at DeShazers sale catalog, noticed where MOLER was listed as deceased.
when did this come about? cause of death? this may be old news, just not to me.
thanks DFF

If this is true, and as much as I favor Online 122L, it appears another bullet showed up into the opposing arsenal of 24H.

 

[Alan]

Looking at DeShazers sale catalog, noticed where MOLER was listed as deceased.
when did this come about? cause of death? this may be old news, just not to me.

I'm trying to wrap my mind around why ANOTHER bull dollar semen bull has gone to the great pasture in the sky. Is the passing of Online, Moler, Patriot just the way it goes...... hmmm.

Just my thoughts,
Alan

 

[Brandonm22]

I wonder if some of these bulls would live longer if we didn't buy semen from them until they were at least seven.

 

[Herefords.US]

And the conspiracy theorists raise their head again!

We've had a lot of UFO reports around Stephenville lately. Y'all got any thoughts about that?

And I swore I saw Elvis in Vegas a couple of years ago.

George

 

[dun]

I wonder if some of these bulls would live longer if we didn't buy semen from them until they were at least seven.

What would that accomplish other then raising the price to redicules levels?

 

[KNERSIE]

I have a totally different view on this...

I don't think there is much wrong with the genetics (which happens to be mostly Remitall), but rather with the way the cattle have been managed.

If you overfeed a young child a high carbohydrate diet with lots of sugar and fat, he'll get obese, he will be heavier than his peers, but most likely less healthy, knee and back problems will be encountered more frequently, etc. Simply put, his body just couldn't handle the extra weight and the heart will suffer accordingly.

Same applies to young bulls, only difference there isn't much bragging rights in saying you've got the heaviest 13 year old daughter in town, why brag with the heaviest 12 month old heifer or bull when the feedsack played the major role and the health and productive life of the animal compromised.

In the same way if you push a young sportsman too hard at a young age they are more likely to suffer serious injury usually associated with older sportsman at a much younger age, Martina Hingis being a good example here.

You can tap a young bull to death (figuratively) as well as work him to death in pasture, if he isn't conditioned to do that it just becomes more likely.

I think 24H is sound, whether the way she was bred/flushed made cattle for the real world (without the open feedsack) is another debate alltogether, I'll leave that for Herefordsire to figure out with experience.