lost cow

gerald segelstrom

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Last week I lost a cow that seemed to just waste away. She was only 2 1/2 years old and had tested positive two months ago as being about 5 months preg. 2 years ago I lost a cow that the vet figured was selinium deficient. I provided mineral blocks w/ Si and she didn't seem interested. From the very beginning this cow was strange. When I would grain the rest of the herd she would just stand a the feeder and continue to eat hay. The last two weeks of her life she was just in a funk. The day I decided to call the vet she died. Any suggests besides telling me to call the vet sooner?
 
Here in VA we have state run animal health clinics scattered around the old dominion that will take a dead cow & provide a comprehensive autopsy service. I unfortunately had to make use of this service just last week, as I lost a healthy looking old cow (due to calve in March). This service is inexpensive ($66) & is an invaluable tool to improve herd health management (my biggest lesson was how to manage heavy milkers calving during the winter when I feed primarily chicken litter - milk fever issue). If a cow in our herd can't keep her body weight up - she heads to the sale barn.
 
Farminlund":3gn4sn57 said:
(my biggest lesson was how to manage heavy milkers calving during the winter when I feed primarily chicken litter - milk fever issue).

Are you serious that you feed chicken litter to your cattle? :shock: What was the "biggest lesson" that you learned? That you shouldn't feed one animal's feces to another animal!?
 
You do what makes you the most money in the cattle business - at least that's my opinion. Low cost feed is hard to come by in these parts (Midwest corn has a long way to travel) & land is also high priced, while litter is relatively low cost & high in protein & minerals. As I said, the litter is high in minerals & will "over supply" the cow with calcium (when she's dry), thus causing the normal bone tear down process of supplying calcium to go dormant. When the calf arrives & lactation begins (high need for calcium), the calcium level drops significantly due to the dormancy of the bone tear down process & milk fever results (ie low calcium blood level). We keep those to calf off litter until after the calf arrives. It only seems to hit the heavy milkers, but those are your best cows. I don't take any chances since I lost my best cow a few years ago & keep all off litter until they've calved.
 
I wouldn't feed them anything I wouldn't eat. I'll eat sweet feed, corn, hay and a multitude of other things but not chicken turds. It oughta be banned.
 
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D.R. Cattle":1ryp65nl said:
I wouldn't feed them anything I wouldn't eat. I'll eat sweet feed, corn, hay and a multitude of other things but not chicken turds. It oughta be banned.

I agree. Never understood feeding chicken litter or anything like that.
 
I agree too. :stop: Feeding chicken litter to cows is't just going to start something else that is going to hurt the whole industry! It should be banned~!
 
Next thing you know we'll have some wild disease on our hands like BSE because we fed chicken **** to our cows. It just aint right. Cows are herbivores. They eat PLANTS only.
 
D.R. Cattle":7byc2o7e said:
Next thing you know we'll have some wild disease on our hands like BSE because we fed chicken be nice to our cows. It just aint right. Cows are herbivores. They eat PLANTS only.

:stop: DITTO!!
 
Farminlund":1w2vxxj3 said:
You do what makes you the most money in the cattle business - at least that's my opinion. Low cost feed is hard to come by in these parts (Midwest corn has a long way to travel) & land is also high priced, while litter is relatively low cost & high in protein & minerals. As I said, the litter is high in minerals & will "over supply" the cow with calcium (when she's dry), thus causing the normal bone tear down process of supplying calcium to go dormant. When the calf arrives & lactation begins (high need for calcium), the calcium level drops significantly due to the dormancy of the bone tear down process & milk fever results (ie low calcium blood level). We keep those to calf off litter until after the calf arrives. It only seems to hit the heavy milkers, but those are your best cows. I don't take any chances since I lost my best cow a few years ago & keep all off litter until they've calved.

That's a concise and informative description of one of the problems with feeding chicken litter to cattle. I agree that raising cattle is a business and therefore one should try to make a profit at it, but at what cost? You mention that it is "low cost", do you mean that they charge you for it? Explaining that chicken litter is high in protein, minerals, etc., and understanding the basic physiology of its metabolism makes it almost seem legitimate and sucks me into the argument that maybe it's OK, until I pull back to the big picture that you are feeding one animal's excrement to another animal! But as I typed on another thread about a different subject, "it works for us", so if it works for you, so be it. Just don't ship any of those cattle with sh*#eating grins to Oklahoma! :cboy:
 
There is an apparent reluctance on the part of the public, as well as of some beef producers, to accept broiler Litter as a cattle feed. However, the public readily accepts organically grown vegetables grown on composted broiler Litter. The process by which a plant assimilates food into its tissues is much less complicated than the process by which a cow does the same thing; a cow's food is broken down and processed much more completely. And, in fact, a cow must be off broiler litter for 15 days before it can be slaughtered for beef, while a mushroom can go directly from its bed of manure to the grocery store.

I will not succeed in changing minds that are made up based on emotion; however, I will site the above quote & remind those who uphold the notion only plant based food should enter cattle ruminan, that the cattle feeding industry (feed lots) often use as a low cost protein source the output from rendering plants (ie ground up animals of all types except cloven hoofed animals). These horrible chicken feces (primarily inefficiently processed corn & other grains) have been composted & smell much like chocolate. In fact, a friend asked a neighbor what he thought of his new feed what he thought of it without telling him what it was (many years ago before it was commonplace), they had to stop him as he started to put some into his mouth to test (much like D.R. Cattle suggested – needs to smell good enough for him to eat before he’ll feed it to his cows).

A final comment, a few years ago one of our state senators (Kouric – sister to Katie) tried to have it banned based on “it just doesn’t seem right” – luckily the conservatives fought back & prevailed. One thing I like about the cattle industry is that government is not overly involved & I like it that way; creating laws restricting business activities based on emotion & hearsay are just plain wrong for America & wrong for our business (that’s why I’m a conservative & not a liberal).
 
Farminlund":gvuz3lzi said:
There is an apparent reluctance on the part of the public, as well as of some beef producers, to accept broiler Litter as a cattle feed. However, the public readily accepts organically grown vegetables grown on composted broiler Litter. The process by which a plant assimilates food into its tissues is much less complicated than the process by which a cow does the same thing; a cow's food is broken down and processed much more completely. And, in fact, a cow must be off broiler litter for 15 days before it can be slaughtered for beef, while a mushroom can go directly from its bed of manure to the grocery store.

I will not succeed in changing minds that are made up based on emotion; however, I will site the above quote & remind those who uphold the notion only plant based food should enter cattle ruminan, that the cattle feeding industry (feed lots) often use as a low cost protein source the output from rendering plants (ie ground up animals of all types except cloven hoofed animals). These horrible chicken feces (primarily inefficiently processed corn & other grains) have been composted & smell much like chocolate. In fact, a friend asked a neighbor what he thought of his new feed what he thought of it without telling him what it was (many years ago before it was commonplace), they had to stop him as he started to put some into his mouth to test (much like D.R. Cattle suggested – needs to smell good enough for him to eat before he’ll feed it to his cows).

A final comment, a few years ago one of our state senators (Kouric – sister to Katie) tried to have it banned based on “it just doesn’t seem right” – luckily the conservatives fought back & prevailed. One thing I like about the cattle industry is that government is not overly involved & I like it that way; creating laws restricting business activities based on emotion & hearsay are just plain wrong for America & wrong for our business (that’s why I’m a conservative & not a liberal).

What type of rendering bybproducts do you supose is used to spill into that litter that you feed. Do you get a list of contents on the ration fed to the poutry that the litter comes from? Sounds like a very big risk to take with your livelyhood. If this product is so good and cheap to boot, why don't the feed co.s snap it all up.
 
I"m sorry.. I don't care how good it smells, a bovine is not "designed" to eat chicken litter. If it's not something that is designed by nature for them to injest, I think you're asking for trouble. Especially with BSE and foot and mouth and every other disease as a threat to the beef industry. If the "real world" got wind of cattle eating litter, I shudder to think what would happen to the industry.

Just my opinion, of course.. :roll:
 
Ditto to all the folks regarding feeding animals to animals that are HERBIVOURS!
By the way, we purchased several protein tubs, and after we got them back to the farm, we saw as part as the ingredients..........rendered poultry protein, and ground poultry feathers, yes, it was a name brand mollasses protein block... YUCK :stop:
 
Farminlund":zbhg0dc4 said:
You do what makes you the most money in the cattle business - at least that's my opinion.

This saddens me. Its not all about money. Doesnt anyone else GET that?! thats how we got into the whole BSE fix to start with. cows eat grass. they arent scavengers or decomposers.
 
We won't even feed supplements that contain urea. It's probably pefectly ok, but anything that's manufacutered as a fertilizer just doesn't seem kosher to me.

dun
 
Don't mean to dogpile on anyone, but I am convinced that this is a disease waiting to happen. How long did they feed ground up sheep parts before BSE hit? Just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it will not happen.
 

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