Longhorn Fellas

[Rustler9]

TxStateCowboy,
You seem to imply that anyone else's Longhorn cattle are something other than what they are. Seems anytime someone else posts a photo of one of theirs you make a snide remark that the animal has other blood in it. You need to be careful when making accusations and bashing other breeders and associations. Sure, there's some sneaky things going on in the cattle business, dog business and anything else that can be profitable but that doesn't mean that everyone does it. There's nothing wrong with having all of your cattle blood typed if you see fit, I can't say that I'll ever have all of mine blood typed because I don't have the time nor do I want to spend the money to have it done. This doesn't mean that I have anything to hide by not doing it. If someone wants to purchase an animal from me and they request to have blood typing done, no problemo. It can be done.

One thing I wonder about the cattle in your association of choice; when the blood typing is done what actually shows up in them? As they say at UC Davis-other breed markers will show up in the Longhorn breed. So what do you do about those animals? They can tell when they do the test if the other markers are just a generation or two ago or if it's distant in the animal's ancestry. I just think it's doubtful that all of your cattle are going to show up straight Longhorn. Really, the breed as a recognized breed isn't that old. Remember, as I stated before that they were range cattle, just a type of cattle rather than an established breed before they became somewhat standardized when the TLBAA was established in 1964.

 

[Ryan]

TxStateCowboy,
You seem to imply that anyone else's Longhorn cattle are something other than what they are. Seems anytime someone else posts a photo of one of theirs you make a snide remark that the animal has other blood in it. You need to be careful when making accusations and bashing other breeders and associations. Sure, there's some sneaky things going on in the cattle business, dog business and anything else that can be profitable but that doesn't mean that everyone does it. There's nothing wrong with having all of your cattle blood typed if you see fit, I can't say that I'll ever have all of mine blood typed because I don't have the time nor do I want to spend the money to have it done. This doesn't mean that I have anything to hide by not doing it. If someone wants to purchase an animal from me and they request to have blood typing done, no problemo. It can be done.

One thing I wonder about the cattle in your association of choice; when the blood typing is done what actually shows up in them? As they say at UC Davis-other breed markers will show up in the Longhorn breed. So what do you do about those animals? They can tell when they do the test if the other markers are just a generation or two ago or if it's distant in the animal's ancestry. I just think it's doubtful that all of your cattle are going to show up straight Longhorn. Really, the breed as a recognized breed isn't that old. Remember, as I stated before that they were range cattle, just a type of cattle rather than an established breed before they became somewhat standardized when the TLBAA was established in 1964.

Well Said Rustler.

 

[TxStateCowboy]

TxStateCowboy,
You seem to imply that anyone else's Longhorn cattle are something other than what they are. Seems anytime someone else posts a photo of one of theirs you make a snide remark that the animal has other blood in it. You need to be careful when making accusations and bashing other breeders and associations. Sure, there's some sneaky things going on in the cattle business, dog business and anything else that can be profitable but that doesn't mean that everyone does it. There's nothing wrong with having all of your cattle blood typed if you see fit, I can't say that I'll ever have all of mine blood typed because I don't have the time nor do I want to spend the money to have it done. This doesn't mean that I have anything to hide by not doing it. If someone wants to purchase an animal from me and they request to have blood typing done, no problemo. It can be done.

One thing I wonder about the cattle in your association of choice; when the blood typing is done what actually shows up in them? As they say at UC Davis-other breed markers will show up in the Longhorn breed. So what do you do about those animals? They can tell when they do the test if the other markers are just a generation or two ago or if it's distant in the animal's ancestry. I just think it's doubtful that all of your cattle are going to show up straight Longhorn. Really, the breed as a recognized breed isn't that old. Remember, as I stated before that they were range cattle, just a type of cattle rather than an established breed before they became somewhat standardized when the TLBAA was established in 1964.

Well Said Rustler.

Indeed well said.
My remarks are not towards all breeders, especially those on this board. When I criticized Rustler's pictures I wasn't doing it to put the cattle, his breeding, or him personally down. I was just being, well, an @ss, and then I state my opinions, or theories (which they are, i know they're not fact) and see what others will think of them and how ya'll react- maybe i could benefit with insight from your defenses and replies. I was probably wrong in those accusations and theories-by-picture alone. For that I appologize.

I too have come to believe longhorns as a "Type" more than a breed. The reason i feel so strong about old-style technique is:

My -belief- is that some in the modern longhorn business are breeding OUT the fantastic traits that make longhorns so great.
Some are breeding IN superb characteristics, such as your program Ryan, the best looking beef-longhorns I've ever seen, and you aren't shooting for 100" tip-to-tip. I admire your success with Longhorns. You're right, thats whats so great about longhorns, we form our herd to our liking. I prefer using longevity/hardiness and double-twist horns as my goal for herd and breed, with size and beefiness in close second, because that is the point of the cattle business.

I want ya'll to know- I am a member of TLBAA and CTLR, I plan to register many of my cattle with either one or both associations.(Only bulls need be bloodtyped to register CTLR).

When I attack Longhorns, or TLBAA, I am attacking the fools who infuse-purposely- crossbred genetics for short-term monetary gains. This is a disservice to any preservationist, conservative, or just Texas Longhorn lover and the industry.

I know that isn't either of you. I do respect your programs and wish you success. My herd is not at all a pure longhorn herd. I'll be only 21 next week, and I plan on developing and growing the herd throughout my life- i have a long time to do it. Some I register, many I don't. Registering, to me, is for marketing purposes, "added value",or else i'd never want to have to pay to make up a silly name for my cattle.

The whole deal, the longhorn breeding, differences in herds, is good. I've come to that now... Though some are in the wrong and putting some creepy looking animals out there, there are many great programs out there doing whats best for our breed. Or should i say our type? :lol:

 

[Running Arrow Bill]

We're a member of both ITLA and TLBAA. Depends on the need at the time. We breed seedstock for both horn and body. We have 2 basic programs: A Horn Program and a "Body" program. Also produce a variety of color patterns to suit our nationwide market and (actual) sales. Our stock has even been complimented by area "commercial" cattle ranchers for their appearance. We have several "horn styles" for our diverse market & customers.

Yes, for us that register our cattle, registration is "value added." ($15. fee and 15 minutes of paperwork).

For those that show cattle, showing is "value added."

 

[Rustler9]

TxState Cowboy,
I appreciate your comments. Apology accepted. I tend to get defensive when I think that someone is trashing my cattle. I love to read about the history of this breed of cattle and I really enjoy talking to other breeders and especially some of the old time pioneers in the breed. From what I've gathered the breed itself is made up of several different breeds of Spanish cattle such as the Retinta and Barrenda? and some others that I can't remember right off hand. Also, from some African cattle, I sometimes wonder if maybe some of the same genetic makeup as the Watusi breed which is from Africa. I'm sure that there are folks who slip other breeds in to enhance either horn or body but to me that is a big mistake as it dilutes the Longhorn breed as we know it. We already have a very diverse breed as it is as there are so many differnent types within the breed. But this is also one of the reasons that I love this breed-it would be hard to get bored with it as there is something there for everyone if they'll give the breed a second look.

 

[Running Arrow Bill]

So...

All the academicism, purism, showingism, traditionalism, registrationism, colorism and shapeism, etcism aside...

Bottomline: As long as whatever they are, are selling, then that's the validity in a nutshell... ;-)

Did I just create some new words???

 

[googly_moogly]

Running Arrow Bill,

I think you did in fact create some new words but I think they are fantastic. :D I hope you don't mind but I will problably be using some of them in the near future.

I just hope we can all raise our own diffenent types of Longhorns and get along.

Googly Moogly

 

[TxStateCowboy]

Hatchet is buried for me, hope i can learn from ya'll and always hope see some nice longhorns posted.

 

[Roger/OH]

Looks like a great traditional bull. I love the horn and color. I would like to reduce his hump (maybe because is head is down) and like to see more muscle in the hind quarter.
I would also like a straighter top line. I know the topline can be controversial, but us Northeners like our topline straight. I bought a YO bred heifer out of Texas. She was great in all aspects execpt topline. I hated her topline. The 1st year we showed her we placed high under a Texas judge. Next year we were last under a Northern judge and we were near the top of the class with horn. In talking to a judge from Texas, the judge said "We don't like a 2x4 straight back. It is all in what you like.
This bull would bring horn and size to my herd. I believe, most of my cows would carry the topline and hind quarter developement. Just my opinion.
Hayfeeders: I use the tombstone style horse feeders. I have cut sections out of the bars of the tombstones, heated and bent them down and rewelded them so there was 1/2 again as much space between them. I figured that the bars were pinching them when the hay got down. Worked good until last year. New bull likes to use the hay ring as a back sratcher.Doesn't matter to him. Seen him get a horn under the ring when no hay was in it and just start moving back and forth.

 

[Noquisi]

thats yates coloring 8)