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Packer probe finds 'exorbitant' profits

By Barry Wilson & Mary MacArthur

Ottawa, Camrose bureaus

Western Producer

December 7, 2005

Canada



A Parliament-ordered partial audit of beef packer profits in the months after the BSE crisis proves that Canada's major packing companies made "exorbitant" profits at the expense of producers, says the former chair of the House of Commons agriculture committee that oversaw the investigation.



Packers lost $40 million in the month following the announcement on May 23, 2003, that BSE had been discovered in Canada, according to a report tabled in Parliament Nov. 28 hours before the government fell and the election campaign started.



During the next 12 months, those companies made almost $600 million in net profits while the livestock industry lost billions in income and equity.



"I believe this report will verify what Canadians have long come to believe, that the packers made exorbitant profit on the backs of Canadians, not only the primary producers but certainly the consumers of Canada," committee chair Paul Steckle said as he tabled the report.



Steckle is now running for re-election in the cattle-heavy riding of Huron-Bruce in Ontario, seeking his fifth consecutive mandate as a Liberal MP.



Robert Meijer, director of public affairs with Cargill, which owns a large packing plant near Calgary, said the problem wasn't with large packing plants, but with a combination of factors from the BSE crisis, such as lost markets, closed borders and too much supply for the demand.



The report, based on evidence accumulated in confidence by Parliament-appointed auditors, deals only in aggregate numbers to avoid revealing confidential information.



It reported that during 2002, the average net packer margin per head slaughtered was $42.73. During the next 12 months after government BSE aid money began to flow, the average net margin per head soared to between four and six times the 2002 average, almost $180 per head in the first half of 2004.



Steckle said in an interview it is clear that packers manipulated the market to their benefit and it went beyond market rules of too much supply chasing too little demand.



"As tax dollars flowed to producers, packers just lowered their price to effectively receive that money on their bottom lines," said Steckle. "We have to figure out a way in future to make sure tax dollars get to the people we are trying to help. The evidence is clear that major corporate profits were being made, sometimes with the help of taxpayer dollars, at a time when farmers were losing enormous amounts."



He repeated earlier charges that the companies were profiteering, even though they were doing nothing illegal.



"I guess it was the market working and it is the way the government allows the market to work," he said. "Everyone makes as much profit as they can. But the situation is different when there is no competition on one side of the equation."



Meijer said he doesn't think anyone is surprised to hear the packers made money.



"We never denied that and in fact we worked very hard to allow the committee and its auditors to have access to as much information as possible," he said.



"At the end of the day the most important message is that there wasn't found that there was any wrongdoing. The market acted the way the market was acting and that's the way an open and free market does operate."



Steckle said the affair also shows how useless the government's competition policy is.



"We have no competition policy, Competition Bureau, in this country that means anything," he said in the interview. "I don't know why we keep it around."
 
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I have had the opportunity to chat with Barry Wilson upon occaision and my wife has fed him a few bits of info over the years. He is an honest reporter for the ag sector. I have found over the years he is also able to dig into some things that make folks go Hmmmm ...

The fact is that ethics and morals do not play in business today - it is simply a matter of profit for the shareholder and nothing more - oh, and do not get caught! Frustrating as it is in this world of ours, the primary producer will have less and less control over their produce if only because we are at the mercy of the folks who hold the purse strings.

The only way to combat this would be to actually withold our produce and block any imports for about one month - watch them squeal.

But this will never happen.

Prices may be "acceptable" for the cattleman in Canada - but in fact the price will never get to the point where the cattleman can actually make serious money - at least in my lifetime.

Still, it is a heck of a lifestyle.

Bez!
 
Bez!":3qxdv7ph said:
The fact is that ethics and morals do not play in business today - it is simply a matter of profit for the shareholder and nothing more - oh, and do not get caught! Frustrating as it is in this world of ours, the primary producer will have less and less control over their produce if only because we are at the mercy of the folks who hold the purse strings.


Bez!

I could not agree with you more...It appears to me that in the business, accounting, and law schools of today more time is put into teaching how to bend the law, play the grey areas, find the loopholes, grease the wheels, and make the fast buck at any and everyones expense than is given to morals, ethics, and sound business practices.....
 
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So R-Calf made it possible for packers to stick it to ya, strange I never new that R-Calf was in cahoots with the packers.... Sorry Frenchie, throwing a flag on that one. Packers will stick to anyone, anytime they get the chance.
 
houstoncutter":31bwsdm8 said:
So R-Calf made it possible for packers to stick it to ya, strange I never new that R-Calf was in cahoots with the packers Sorry Frenchie, throwing a flag on that one

I never said that I said the court actions of R-calf , prolonged the situation for Canadian producers .


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houstoncutter":31bwsdm8 said:
... Packers will stick to anyone, anytime they get the chance.

And R-Calf gave them the chance to continue for a few extra months.

 
So the canadian packers stick it to the canadians and the US based organization (Rcalf) takes the blame. It seems that canadian politics, policy and lack of infrastructure caused the problem. It is wrong that producers take the biggest blow.
 
On the other hand you didnt hear Canada complaining when When Billy and Alvin stuck it to the US producer with NAFTA
 
Beef11":1xfwugr5 said:
It seems that canadian politics, policy and lack of infrastructure caused the problem.

Infrastructive was part of the problem.... What Canadian politics or policy are you refering to.


Beef11":1xfwugr5 said:
the US based organization (Rcalf) takes the blame

R-calf used that oppurtonity to try to prolong the fianicial bloodbath for Canadian producers.
 
Beef11":wvot7khe said:
On the other hand you didnt hear Canada complaining when When Billy and Alvin stuck it to the US producer with NAFTA


You signed a deal same as us. We also got shafted on that deal in certain areas.
 
Yea Frenchie, we agree on the shafting of cattlemen on Nafta....Of course some of the biggest backers of Nafta were NCBA and the packers....OPPPS I forgot, their one and the same!
 
As far as policy goes, Canadian feedyards took their sweet time complying with the feed ban which eventually caused the mad cow "scare".

You have to give Rcalf some credit all they are trying to do is protect the interests of the US cattle producers. Where as the NCBA seems to be more concerned about other issues like helping our packers stick it to us the way your packers stuck it to you.

The problem with SHAFTA is i was to young to vote and here in the US we have a system that isn't foolproof. WE elected Clinton Twice. We almost elected John Kerry.
 
Beef11":i2x03hxz said:
As far as policy goes, Canadian feedyards took their sweet time complying with the feed ban which eventually caused the mad cow "scare". .

:lol: Thats rich...fact of the matter is both the U.S and Canada
Feedban regulations went into effect at about the same time.

further fact is the F.D.A has repeatedly found U.S feed mills and dealers to be in violatation of the feed ban. 1200 violations in Oct Of 2003 alone.

Then the issue Of The test The U.S was using that failed

Beef11":i2x03hxz said:
You have to give Rcalf some credit all they are trying to do is protect the interests of the US cattle producers. .

give them credit for what aligning themself with a consumer group that helps fund the Animal rights groups ...Real smart




Beef11":i2x03hxz said:
Where as the NCBA seems to be more concerned about other issues like helping our packers stick it to us the way your packers stuck it to you. .

Oh they really stuck it to you allright..really good prices even with the Canadian Border opening. But.t.t R-calf said the market would be flooded.

Beef11":i2x03hxz said:
The problem with SHAFTA is i was to young to vote and here in the US we have a system that isn't foolproof. WE elected Clinton Twice. We almost elected John Kerry.

I heard John will run again
 
houstoncutter":kyjz53w3 said:
Yea Frenchie, we agree on the shafting of cattlemen on Nafta!

The screwing I.m talking about is the closing of the U.S border to Canadian cattle under NAFTA that was illegal.

houstoncutter":kyjz53w3 said:
....Of course some of the biggest backers of Nafta were NCBA and the packers....OPPPS I forgot, their one and the same!


Are they..... care to name names there houstoncutter....See any Black helicopters lately.
 
international policy says when a country has mad cow they are to be quarantined and have their borders closed. It seems that canada and the US have it a heck of alot easier than the poor limeys did. In the grand scheme of things most of it is self inflicted. When are cattle prices are crappy in the states we blame blame who mostly the packers or the retailers and sometimes the Jackass' in Washington. When Canadian Prices fall through the floor the fault is pawned onto the US why not blame your noncomplient feed mills that sold the feed that caused the cow in the Washington state to go BSE or the May 03 cow that shut the borders. The way i see it the cattle industry is supported by consumers eating beef. If your product seems tainted in the eye of the consumer, Why would Rcalf or any other Beef producer want to be affiliated with you? Are prices are good in the US I can't complain (I'm not in the Commodity beef market anyway), but when they go south as they surely will. who should we blame? Rcalf? canada? Limeys? Texas? Bos indicus? AAA? its just the natural way prices flucuate. figure out away to make do with what you have or make it better. Nobody makes you haul your calves to the ring. It isn't the only marketing outlet in the world. With all the Canadian subsidies you should be able to get bye without howlin like a three legged coyote pup.
 
Beef11":5tmbyr38 said:
international policy says when a country has mad cow they are to be quarantined and have their borders closed. .


Does not matter under Nafta that was illegal..as was the closure of the border of all ruminant animals




Beef11":5tmbyr38 said:
It seems that canada and the US have it a heck of alot easier than the poor limeys did..

Perhaps we did..However we know that in England about a 100 people died out of 100 million due to Mad cow or cvjd


Beef11":5tmbyr38 said:
In the grand scheme of things most of it is self inflicted. When are cattle prices are crappy in the states we blame blame who mostly the packers or the retailers and sometimes the Jackass' in Washington. ..
When the real problem is the cattle cycle

Beef11":5tmbyr38 said:
When Canadian Prices fall through the floor the fault is pawned onto the US why not blame your noncomplient feed mills that sold the feed that caused the cow in the Washington state to go BSE or the May 03 cow that shut the borders ..

How do you know they were noncompliant, in fact how do you know where the Washington cow was infected.




Beef11":5tmbyr38 said:
The way i see it the cattle industry is supported by consumers eating beef. ..
Then why would anyone support R-Calf?They have used B.s.e as a health issue.When the U.S is also a B.s.e infected country


Beef11":5tmbyr38 said:
If your product seems tainted in the eye of the consumer, ..

My product is not tainted, if it was The Japanese would not have resumed trade with Canada


Beef11":5tmbyr38 said:
Why would Rcalf or any other Beef producer want to be affiliated with you?

Question Is..

why would any beef producer wanted to be affiliated with R-Calf

When they climb into bed with a consumer group that funds the animal rights people.

When they try to use B.S.e as a political weapon. when it has been found in the native U.S cow herd.And the circumstances under which it was found were....well .....not great.


Beef11":5tmbyr38 said:
Are prices are good in the US I can't complain (I'm not in the Commodity beef market anyway), but when they go south as they surely will. who should we blame? Rcalf? canada? Limeys? Texas? Bos indicus? AAA?

Canada will get the blame again.

Beef11":5tmbyr38 said:
its just the natural way prices flucuate. figure out away to make do with what you have or make it better.
I already have

Beef11":5tmbyr38 said:
Nobody makes you haul your calves to the ring. It isn't the only marketing outlet in the world..

:lol: Thats right it is not.

Beef11":5tmbyr38 said:
With all the Canadian subsidies you should be able to get bye without howlin like a three legged coyote pup.

What subsidies ?...I have not received any in yrs :lol:
 
Seems to me that Beef!! has all the answers to many more subjects than are posted here. Frenchie, do you agree. Smart as he is, the boy needs help building a corral and chute. Amazing huh.
 

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