I've had around a dozen calves off him in the last 10 years, used him sparingly due to limited availability. So take that into consideration as a small sample size. Pros: can really add power to a cow, especially if she's too fine. Makes good thick females without going too extreme on height. Or bulls for that matter. Good feet. Cons: does not improve udders very much, won't wreck them but won't tighten them up much either. Can add extra teats.Rear legs are fairly sickle hocked and hocks turn in a little. They are sound though, just not 'show' cattle. I would use him a lot more if I could get him up here.