Caustic Burno
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Amen Jo
Just need to add a little more judge Roy Bean Justice in as well.
Just need to add a little more judge Roy Bean Justice in as well.
Ouachita":2hj59lin said:I think the new poster brings up some valid points that we should all digest and consider over a period of time. I would also recommend that everybody tread lightly, or not at all. Preferrably, not at all.
3waycross":caifwawx said:Were that a long time member who I had some respect for i might have "TREADED" differently.
They were a first post, gun control troll. I make no apologies!
FWIW I sat down and cried like a baby over the deaths of those children and cried again when i thought about how the anti's would use it to take away my constitutional right to protect myself and mine.............i have nothing else to add. It's all been said too many times.
3waycross":307ujvgr said:Were that a long time member who I had some respect for i might have "TREADED" differently.
They were a first post, gun control troll. I make no apologies!
FWIW I sat down and cried like a baby over the deaths of those children and cried again when i thought about how the anti's would use it to take away my constitutional right to protect myself and mine.............i have nothing else to add. It's all been said too many times.
ffamom":73qliywf said:As a teacher, I see school districts implement stupid ideas.
I don;t know about the knee part but I'll go along with the "jerks" partbackhoeboogie":3ni07bve said:ffamom":3ni07bve said:As a teacher, I see school districts implement stupid ideas.
You have my respect, admiration, and appreciation. NOT all teachers do. All start out with my respect.
Knee jerk reactions never solve anything. Right now the media and the powers that be are still knee jerking.
ffamom":37csuycz said:As a teacher, I see school districts implement stupid ideas. For one, we now have to lock all the perimeter doors. That would make sense if the GLASS doors were bullet proof. A locked glass door is going to keep the bad guy out. Really! Another, we have a full time cop at our school. However, he does have to go court and leave the property to smoke. Cops can't be everywhere and seconds do matter. It took the police 15 to 20 minutes to reach the school. Lots of damage can be done in the matter of minutes.
Did you know that the shooter in CO chose the only movie theater that didn't allow you to carry a concealed gun? These aren't not dumb people. They calculate everything. The want to be killed on their own terms.
I don't fear for my safety. There will always be crazy people and some people will do crazy things. They aren't going to make me live in a bubble. I don't want a single child or person to die. But address the mental illness problem, not the gun control issue. I do think the mom was a nut for not locking up her guns and teaching an unstable person to shoot.
During lockdown drills, we are told to lock the door and stay in the classroom. Exactly what the shooter expects us to do. I have taught my group of kids to think about what could be used if we were being attacked since I can't carry at school. Fire extinguishers, chemicals from the science labs and plan for the worst. I'm not sure is running isn't the best response if the shooter is in the other end of the building. I do know, I would give my life to save all of my students...even the pain in the rear ones.
Our violent society isn't anything new. If you doubt me on that, read the bible or medieval history. Have you been to Medieval Times and looked in the torture chamber room?
In my opinion, the best defense is a good offense with concealed weapons.
Dega Moo":lqqv5moe said:But right now there are a lot of people talking gun control and like it or not, right now they have the upper hand in that national dialog. The US Supreme Court made it clear we have the right to our guns but they also made it clear there were legitimate limits society could put on that right. My preference is that limit be found beyond assault rifles.
backhoeboogie":2ovoyevg said:Dega Moo":2ovoyevg said:But right now there are a lot of people talking gun control and like it or not, right now they have the upper hand in that national dialog. The US Supreme Court made it clear we have the right to our guns but they also made it clear there were legitimate limits society could put on that right. My preference is that limit be found beyond assault rifles.
Those "lot of people" are probably going to wind up getting a crash course by a lot of rednecks. Calm people are now starting to get stirred up.
Ignorant people don't know the difference between assault rifles and plinkers. All they know is what the media tells them. If I were a robin, I would view a BB gun as an assault rifle.
edit: and by the way, you speak of reading, did you read what Jogee offered?
cow pollinater":30ooj67a said:So, who is ready to join me in my New Year's resolution to spend more time being the wild eyed bearded guy that sits in his office all afternoon firing off nasty letters to congress? I got a headstart last year and I'm going strong into 2013.
It does no good to sit here and bytch if we don't take it to the powers that be. They hide behind the anonimity of their office to tell us that they're taking our money and giving it to someone else and they're taking our guns because they're scared of us :roll: ... It's time to tell them to hide behind the anonimity of their office when they start telling people that they can't have OUR money or our guns. Time to tell them that we feel safer in an armed society.
We have alot of eloquent people here but it's a waste of words if we preach to the chior.
Jogeephus":1w8a3ulx said:Ouachita":1w8a3ulx said:I think the new poster brings up some valid points that we should all digest and consider over a period of time. I would also recommend that everybody tread lightly, or not at all. Preferably, not at all.
I agree. However, lets keep in mind the intent of the second amendment. It was not put in place to insure that we would be able to hunt or shoot skeet, it was put there to give us the ability to overthrow an abusive government - one which would seek to take away our rights as guaranteed in the constitution.
Have we not learned anything from history? In the 20th century alone, gun control has led to the disarmament and murder of millions. This is what Adams, Jefferson and others sought to prevent. Tyranny. Jefferson said it best when he said, "any society who would trade their liberty for security deserves neither".
But I agree we need to do something with the crime rate in this country. The answer is quite simple in my view. First, we do away with concurrent prison terms, then we make prisoners serve their full terms rather than a third and when and if the parole board sees fit to review their case then the parole board should be held personally liable in civil court for any and all damages that the early release may have caused.
As for preventing the acts of a madman. I think it impossible. Afterall, when the strongest military in the world cannot protect its own headquarters from a plane then how on earth is the same government going to protect little old you from a madman? Its not going to happen. I think tragedy has reminded us that freedom comes with a price. Its not always paid with the blood of a soldier in some far away land but it is sometimes paid right here in our own backyard. Have we as a people become so soft that we are willing to sacrifice over 200 hundred years of freedom bought and paid for with our ancestors' blood, sweat and tears because a lone madman killed a some innocents - I think not.
Ouachita":m3p0d9ao said:Jo, I agree with your post in full. I don't understand why you quoted me for your reply. I thought you knew me better than that.I was hoping that everybody would read between the lines and ****. Didn't want it to get this far.