bigbull338
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those bull calves arnt what you need on your cows.it would take time an money to see if they would pan out.but i highly doubt they will pan out.you need a top end polled hereford bull to go on your cows.
Hereford bull calf, tell what you think
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Jeanne - Simme Valley
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Backtracking on the heterosis - any % continental crossed with british will give you the most heterosis compared to crossing X british with B british.
BTW - don't like the calf, or cow. Stictly from pic, if you HAD to pick, I'd go with the HH
BTW - don't like the calf, or cow. Stictly from pic, if you HAD to pick, I'd go with the HH
Bez+
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Cow - that cow has a roached back and is hungry
She and her polled calf are both well below grade
Sire is good - but I do not see any of him in the progeny
I do not see this young bull amounting to more than steaks and burger
Horned calf - is he two years old??!!
If he is - my initial thought was pass him by as well - I thought was he was about 14 - 16 months.
In truth the pic does not do him any favours and I might change my mind with a few extras and some different angles.
However - he is better than your polled prospect - hands down better - if it is a dollar issue - go with him and work up a bit over the next couple of years - horns discussion coming probably - not as big a prob as you and so many folks seem to think.
Unless you plan to spend - you will see a difference in the quality in polled and horned bulls a lot - you get into higher end cattle the difference is far less. Run with the horns and you will still do better with his calves - mind you we have no idea that condition of the cattle he will be breeding.
Bez+
She and her polled calf are both well below grade
Sire is good - but I do not see any of him in the progeny
I do not see this young bull amounting to more than steaks and burger
Horned calf - is he two years old??!!
If he is - my initial thought was pass him by as well - I thought was he was about 14 - 16 months.
In truth the pic does not do him any favours and I might change my mind with a few extras and some different angles.
However - he is better than your polled prospect - hands down better - if it is a dollar issue - go with him and work up a bit over the next couple of years - horns discussion coming probably - not as big a prob as you and so many folks seem to think.
Unless you plan to spend - you will see a difference in the quality in polled and horned bulls a lot - you get into higher end cattle the difference is far less. Run with the horns and you will still do better with his calves - mind you we have no idea that condition of the cattle he will be breeding.
Bez+
I am a small Herford breeder. I would be humiliated with my operation if I couldn't show a customer any better bull than that. I agree with the others. He is to feminine and post legged. Looks like his sire didn't pass on much. Not enough people pay attention to the dam. :nod: She is far more of the calf than we sometimes want to admit. Keep looking at Herford though, your calves deserve a white face. The horned calf ain't to bad. 
Red Bull Breeder
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I would have to see a black purebred Gelbvieh that is 97%, at best 92 to 94 i am guessing. To many going black to black to get homo black homo polled.
DOC HARRIS
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Red Bull Breeder
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Read the whole thread Doc. I don't think he is going to buy this one.
Red Bull Breeder":1i0g6t06 said:
Since I assume you are quoting me I will apologize. You are correct the vast majority of BLK purebred GV's are 94%.
I still have a hard time believing that 3% or 6% will make squat for difference where heterosis is concerned.
If you have a link to some emperical data that proves it I would be very interested in seeing it.
Red Bull Breeder
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Not a nit picking 3way. Just most purebred blacks of any breed other than angus get bred purebred to purebred trying for homo black and homo polled very few increase their percentage. Includes Limis. Any way the herford bull cypress was showing ain't much i don't think.
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cypressfarms
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DOC HARRIS":3g32bz59 said:
Doc, put your guns back in the holster. If you read the whole thread you'd see a different story. I've been looking for bulls, and determined to take my time and get a good one or two for my cows. I've spent a lot of time on the phone and visiting farms looking at bulls. One "seedstock" farm in particular had hereford weanlings. When I talked to the owner by phone, she made the bull calves sound so great. I asked her to e-mail me some pics of what she had as bull prospects. She sent pics of three calves, all of which should be steers in my opinion. I put a pic of the best one up at the start of this thread. Here's a second one she sent me that can best be described as "post legged yuck".
This past Saturday I went out to look at a group of six simmi bulls that were 1 1/2 to 2 years old. Same story. On the phone the guy spouted great names in the bulls' pedigree, and made the bulls sound top of the line. Five of the six were really sorry looking, and the only one that might be average looked sick, breathing hard and wouldn't get/stand up.
So the purpose of the thread - if that's what your after - was more to vent a little at the so called "seedstock" breeders that waste my time. I'll never consider buying any stock from either of these people purely because they wasted my time mis-representing their stock. I drove over 60 miles Saturday to look at steers. Well either they mis-represented or are extremely barn blind. So after looking at way too many bulls, I'm worried about the cattle industry's future if "herd prospects" like what I've been seeing are allowed to breed.
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cypressfarms
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KNERSIE":114xmb6s said:
$800. You get what you pay for I guess. Although over the last several weeks I've looked at bulls that were anywhere from $1000 to $3000, and I can't say that the quality always matches the price. All of the calves that you've posted look better than any of the herefords I've seen so far - but I'll be persistant and keep searching. I really don't need a bull to work until late winter, and it's looking like I'll need all of that time to find a good one.
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BARNSCOOP
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Cypressfarms,
I understand your pain. I have gotten so angry when I used to go driving for miles and miles looking for a GOOD gaited horse. The owner's will talk them up hoping you don't know squat. You ride out to see them, ride them, check them and you spent all Saturday looking at other's junk. I haven't yet had enough cattle or really enough need, since ours are terminal and we are small, to do as you are doing. But I assure you I have thought the same thing about the quality of cattle and horses being bred these days.
I understand your pain. I have gotten so angry when I used to go driving for miles and miles looking for a GOOD gaited horse. The owner's will talk them up hoping you don't know squat. You ride out to see them, ride them, check them and you spent all Saturday looking at other's junk. I haven't yet had enough cattle or really enough need, since ours are terminal and we are small, to do as you are doing. But I assure you I have thought the same thing about the quality of cattle and horses being bred these days.
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cypressfarms
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Doc,
We are both "big boys", mistakes happen - by everyone - please don't beat yourself up; you've provided many, many extremely great posts and have a direct approach to handling situations that I admire. No problem whatsoever, glad it's cleared up.
We are both "big boys", mistakes happen - by everyone - please don't beat yourself up; you've provided many, many extremely great posts and have a direct approach to handling situations that I admire. No problem whatsoever, glad it's cleared up.
