Hereford AI bulls - need help

[vclavin]

Hereford Breeders. Although I mostly raise Registered Black Angus, I have a few Angus cross that are high Angus genetics and would like to AI them to a High quality Hereford Bull. Hubby believes that a horned bull is best, but I see from several posts that may not be necessarily true anymore. Please post reccommendations and any specific comments about the animal or breeder that would be helpful in my decision making. I have plenty of marbling but need a good RE compliment.Thanks.

Here's my EPD requirements:
Low Birth
prefer high WW and YW
Positive scrotal EPD
Carcass- +IMF, +RE, -FAT
must be gentle nature
moderate milk - I want them to gain from pasture and not just milk.

You know the rest as far as feet, butts, etc.

Thanks
Valerie

 

[RD-Sam]

What do you think about this one? :cowboy: http://origenbeef.org/store/product_inf ... cts_id=302

 

[Herefords.US]

What do you think about this one? :cowboy: http://origenbeef.org/store/product_inf ... cts_id=302

Apparently he lived JUST long enough to collect him. And not enough accuracy in those EPDs for me!

http://www.herfnet.com/online/cgi-b...56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=5A5D5C232524242320&9=5C525A

Valerie, for all your EPD requirements, I'd say Ribeye was your best choice of a bull with some accuracy in his EPDs.

http://www.herfnet.com/online/cgi-b...5C262222272225&9=5C5151&11=51505E&12=43425E5D

George

 

[vclavin]

Thanks, but I noticed the accuracies are low and no EPD's for Carcass. Do you know anything about this bull other than what is listed there? I usually stay away from the first timers as they always change numbers and not always to the good. Need a little more help here. Any proven bulls comes to mind?
Valerie
I'll be in and out for several days with weather and trying to get things done in between showers. I really need your input on Herefords. I may not have time for spring but could try this fall.

 

[vclavin]

What do you think about this one? :cowboy: http://origenbeef.org/store/product_inf ... cts_id=302

Apparently he lived JUST long enough to collect him. And not enough accuracy in those EPDs for me!

http://www.herfnet.com/online/cgi-b...56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=5A5D5C232524242320&9=5C525A

Valerie, for all your EPD requirements, I'd say Ribeye was your best choice of a bull with some accuracy in his EPDs.

http://www.herfnet.com/online/cgi-b...5C262222272225&9=5C5151&11=51505E&12=43425E5D
Rib Eye looks good. I really like the IMF and RE EPD's close togther, I have a better chance of raising them at the same time -not always lol.
Please bear with me here, I'm not familiar with Hereford EPDS. but I did notice that the CEM drops from the CED , I don't like doing that unless I have to. The rest looks good.
Can you explain a little about the index $ ?
Is the statistics about the numbers of herds and calves used for the accuracies?
Thanks
VAlerie
George

 

[Herefords.US]

Rib Eye looks good. I really like the IMF and RE EPD's close togther, I have a better chance of raising them at the same time -not always lol.
Please bear with me here, I'm not familiar with Hereford EPDS. but I did notice that the CEM drops from the CED , I don't like doing that unless I have to. The rest looks good.
Can you explain a little about the index $ ?
Is the statistics about the numbers of herds and calves used for the accuracies?
Thanks
VAlerie

You'll have to get someone else to explain the $ indexes. I don't subscribe to them and don't believe in them, especially in unproven, low accuracy EPD bulls. And that's where most folks misuse them!

Ribeye is still a young bull and only shows to have 7 daughters in production, so his CEM is not going to be as accurate as his CED EPD. It'll take another year before that number will mean much of anything. Based on the cattle he comes from and the herd he comes from, he should be good in that department though.

I did a search on the AHA site using your criteria and Ribeye was the only proven bull that fit everything.

Here's another bull that comes very close, but his semen is higher and he's less proven:

http://www.herfnet.com/online/cgi-b...5C255926262423&9=5C5F5A&11=51505E&12=43425F5D
George

 

[vclavin]

Thanks George, looks like the RIb EYE bull is best so far. Better accuracies. I don't care much for the ones they say are easy fleshing as it usually means FAT not muscle. It looks like finding a hereford to fit my criteria is going to be like looking for Angus bulls. I guess I'm too picky LOL
Valerie

 

[Herefords.US]

Thanks George, looks like the RIb EYE bull is best so far. Better accuracies. I don't care much for the ones they say are easy fleshing as it usually means FAT not muscle. It looks like finding a hereford to fit my criteria is going to be like looking for Angus bulls. I guess I'm too picky LOL
Valerie

If you raised cattle in the conditions I do, you'd develop a lot more appreciation for the "easy fleshing" ones! I'm in the camp, with some others here, that think we've gotten a little too aggressive in eliminating backfat and have also taken some of the thriftiness away from cattle with it.

With your particular criteria, Rib Eye will be hard to top.

George

 

[RD-Sam]

What do you think about this one? :cowboy: http://origenbeef.org/store/product_inf ... cts_id=302

Apparently he lived JUST long enough to collect him. And not enough accuracy in those EPDs for me!

http://www.herfnet.com/online/cgi-b...56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=5A5D5C232524242320&9=5C525A

Valerie, for all your EPD requirements, I'd say Ribeye was your best choice of a bull with some accuracy in his EPDs.

http://www.herfnet.com/online/cgi-b...5C262222272225&9=5C5151&11=51505E&12=43425E5D

George

I knew his sire was deceased, didn't know he was. Any idea why both he and his sire are dead?

Lot 57 looks like a nice heifer out of him. http://www.iowahereford.org/pdf/2010/IA ... 010_LR.pdf

 

[JHH]

Hereford Breeders. Although I mostly raise Registered Black Angus, I have a few Angus cross that are high Angus genetics and would like to AI them to a High quality Hereford Bull. Hubby believes that a horned bull is best, but I see from several posts that may not be necessarily true anymore. Please post reccommendations and any specific comments about the animal or breeder that would be helpful in my decision making. I have plenty of marbling but need a good RE compliment.Thanks.

Here's my EPD requirements:
Low Birth
prefer high WW and YW
Positive scrotal EPD
Carcass- +IMF, +RE, -FAT
must be gentle nature
moderate milk - I want them to gain from pasture and not just milk.

You know the rest as far as feet, butts, etc.

Thanks
Valerie

If you would use a horned bull I might suggest UPS DOMINO 3027

I cant seem to get anything to cut and paste

http://herfnet.biz/DesktopModules/Tailo ... l?1=232B21[]2=3D28[]3=56[]5=2B3C2B3C3A&TM_Size=150&Title=Semen%20Catalogs

Some one else may have to copy it for me.

 

[JHH]

http://www.herfnet.com/online/cgi-bin/i ... 2=43425E58

 

[LFF]

Horned C 212 DOMINO 4011 ET {CHB,DLF,IEF} (42473400)

Polled MW LLL FARLEY 24F {SOD,CHB,DLF,HYF,IEF} (P23915161)

 

[1848]

Take a look at some of BarJZ bulls for those traits. The animals are not large framed, but they carry allot of natural muscle.

 

[Herefords.US]

Horned C 212 DOMINO 4011 ET {CHB,DLF,IEF} (42473400)

Polled MW LLL FARLEY 24F {SOD,CHB,DLF,HYF,IEF} (P23915161)

4011 (Ben) would be an excellent choice! I had forgotten about him because he wasn't listed in this year's AI Directory

Semen is $35 straw from Camp Cooley Genetics or W4 Ranch.

http://www.herfnet.com/online/cgi-b...0&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=5A5D5C272325222E25&9=51

George

 

[LFF]

Looking at more polled that meet your criteria.

Popular bull amounst breeder now.
http://www.herfnet.com/online/cgi-bin/i ... 526&9=5F52

http://www.herfnet.com/online/cgi-bin/i ... 42D&9=5F52

This one I posted before , but did not give the link. You will have a hard time finding a better cow producer than him , however he does not meet the high weaning and yearling weight that you requested.
http://www.herfnet.com/online/cgi-bin/i ... 125&9=5F52

 

[jscunn]

Our partner used to own a piece of Farley 24F. The daughters are hard working, fertile, with 0 fall outs due to fertility or eye problems. Our youngest Farley daughters are 9 yrs old. Will probably be selling all of them in the next month or so due to reduction in numbers, only selling them due to age. They are alittle bigger than our Victor based cows, but probably more productive as well. I would think that Farley would be an excellent choice for baldies, I know some of our best baldie heifers this year are out of Farley daughters and Angus bulls.

The folks at Origen are high on Moler as well, I cant find where he is deceased thou, I read where his sire is. Am I missing something?

 

[vclavin]

WOW. Thanks for so many choices!! I have to run an errand before I can go over these. I also appreciate knowing which ones you have personally used and what you thought of the progeny, especially disposition and mothering ability - My girls will let me do anything I want with their calves with no problems, I am carefull as I hear most folk are killed by the "gentle" animal.
Thanks again, back later and more likely with questions.
Valerie

 

[Herefords.US]

The folks at Origen are high on Moler as well, I cant find where he is deceased thou, I read where his sire is. Am I missing something?

From the AHA web-site:

http://www.herfnet.com/online/cgi-b...56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=5A5D5C232524242320&9=5C525A

Look at his status - it says "Dead"

George

 

[jscunn]

Thanks George, I was just looking at the Origen link. Awful young for a bull to take a dirt nap

 

[Hereford76]

makes a guy wonder