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I purchased a registered beefmaster heifer a couple of months ago. I just got her papers in. Upon reading them I see her father is ALSO her grandfather. What is the worst thing that could happen? She is a beautiful animal large bones and tall. I just don't know will this affect her calf in someway or her herself ? Does anyone know of a sight that explains inbreeding?
 
Don't panic! There is a real good chance that breeding her to a totally unrelated bull will result in a very nice calf, I almost guarantee it! The "inbreeding" in your heifer is often called "line breeding" by others. I am sure a bunch of the pure breeders on here can tell you how often they see something like this on theirs or others paper work.
 
the worst that could happen is you get a deformity that is lethal or either not lethal but you have to put the calf down anyway.

b/c the grandfathers/fathers genes will be more prevalent in the calf the calf should resemble him more in most characteristics but if the grandfather/father has any bad genes they will very likely be expressed in the calf.

usually a hit or a miss.
 
what that heifer is in linebred.you can outcross her to another reg beefmaster bull without worry.if you dont mind me asking whats her sire an dams name.im courious as to her bloodlines.
 
Joy in Texas":1k5b1ggd said:
I purchased a registered beefmaster heifer a couple of months ago. I just got her papers in. Upon reading them I see her father is ALSO her grandfather. What is the worst thing that could happen? She is a beautiful animal large bones and tall. I just don't know will this affect her calf in someway or her herself ? Does anyone know of a sight that explains inbreeding?
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The worst thing that can happen is for her not to be a breeder or have a deformed/dead calf. But if you can breed her to an unrelated bull, she'll probably be fine. Good luck....
 
thanks so much it makes me feel better . I'll keep a close eye on her though.
Her sire is Ball of Fire and the dam is Pumpkin . Orginally came from the Windwood Ranch. I purchased her from JC-k Ranch. Hopes that helps you
 
yall are funny... (and other things) :lol:

linebreeding is an advanced concept in registered breeding stock. anybody can throw unrelated popular animals into the mix and get average results. the breeder that linebreeds is doing you a favor and if this is a common theme to most of his breeding stock, you have nothing to worry about and the calves should be better for it.

a linebreeder breeds tightly for a few reasons: a big reason is to get a consistent calf crop. another is to get rid of hidden problems that outcrossing covers up (think of recessives stacking and producing the freak yall are so paranoid about). a resultant reason is for homozygosity which takes much more work and patience. this gives much less variation and leads to the elusive prepotency which every breeder should strive for .

i dont claim to be a linebreeder, but i do try to understand the reasons for it and appreciate the hard work some people put into their animals.
 
Typically with linebreeding/inbreeding the genetic problems will show up in the first generation, not when that calf is bred to something unrelated

dun
 
I did put a picture of Ball of Fire in the cattle picture if you would like to see him. He was 15 yrs old 3000 lbs and still breeding. Heck of a bull huh!
 
dun":384ioapm said:
Typically with linebreeding/inbreeding the genetic problems will show up in the first generation, not when that calf is bred to something unrelated

dun
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Very true as linebreeding is a tried and proven to enhance superior genetics.
 
The genetic disaster would be your heifer if there are bad genes present, I would suspect that there are none or the mating would not have taken place. Line breeding concentrates "Good Genes" as noted earlier, as well as bad genes. Does your heifer have two heads? 6 legs? 2 tails? I assume that you might have mentioned this if she did.
I would breed her right back to a close relative if you want to or to an outcross if you want to. :)
 
If I read this correctly this heifer was the result of a father daughter mating, which is usually considered inbreeding and not practised intentionally very often. However, if this heifer don't display any flaws you can be reasonably sure that there are not many hidden recessive genes as this mating was very likely to bring them to the fore.

Breeding this heifer to a completely unrelated bull will almost certainly not produce the much feared wreck everybody fears when close breeding is discussed.

Just make sure that the bull you are using don't have the same shortcomings as the heifer, if she has any, but that should be standard practise anyway.
 
Bulls have been breeding their off spring heifers for years and years. I don't think anyone in the cattle business considers this in-breeding but rather line breeding. All of it goes right back into having the right bull and the right stock, and knowing what you are doing.

It very well could be that you are better off with what you got. My guess is that if this is a registered animal, the folks who produced her knew what they were doing.
 
Ok thanks, i'm having her bred now,so i will let ya'll know the out come in 9 months. The only thing that I saw on her the was strange was that she had 6 teats,my husband said that was going to have twins ha ha. But i read yesterday that thats not such a rare thing. So i'll just take my chances and hope for the best. THANKS ALL
 
Aero":ztcxifqj said:
yall are funny... (and other things) :lol:

linebreeding is an advanced concept in registered breeding stock. anybody can throw unrelated popular animals into the mix and get average results. the breeder that linebreeds is doing you a favor and if this is a common theme to most of his breeding stock, you have nothing to worry about and the calves should be better for it.

a linebreeder breeds tightly for a few reasons: a big reason is to get a consistent calf crop. another is to get rid of hidden problems that outcrossing covers up (think of recessives stacking and producing the freak yall are so paranoid about). a resultant reason is for homozygosity which takes much more work and patience. this gives much less variation and leads to the elusive prepotency which every breeder should strive for .

i dont claim to be a linebreeder, but i do try to understand the reasons for it and appreciate the hard work some people put into their animals.
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Good post Aero. But I think it went over there heads. The good linebreeders are going to get us out of a fix someday.
 
Joy in Texas":258aif1r said:
Ok thanks, i'm having her bred now,so i will let ya'll know the out come in 9 months. The only thing that I saw on her the was strange was that she had 6 teats,my husband said that was going to have twins ha ha. But i read yesterday that thats not such a rare thing. So i'll just take my chances and hope for the best. THANKS ALL
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I have two with 8 teats. What is even funnier is that they were twin heifers. I would have trimmed the non working teats but never got around to it. They are not a problem and the working teats are plenty long which precludes confusion to the calves. Most literature prescribes removing the extra teats but it is no big deal if you don't.
 
OOOps! brain fart. :oops: i completely misread the original post. sorry.

i was thinking the heifer was bred back to her father so the calf would have the father/grandfather. my bad.

since the heifer should express any flaws that the father/grandfather had, and you have not detected any, everything should be just fine assuming she is a breeder.
 
I did some reasearch on this, sire to daughter breeding, a few months ago. Everthing I saw said no problem, no worries. The problems begin when you do a grand sire to grand daughter.

Alan
 
Alan":1agr8hep said:
The problems begin when you do a grand sire to grand daughter.

Alan
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this is even more ridiculous than the first issue.

do yall just make htis stuff up to make me laugh? :lol:
 

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