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cypressfarms
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Ryan,
I like her. She looks very calm, and has a lot of hair, Is it a recent pic? Hey what's wrong with a barn as a background. It looks much cleaner than mine...
I like her. She looks very calm, and has a lot of hair, Is it a recent pic? Hey what's wrong with a barn as a background. It looks much cleaner than mine...
WarriorPatriot
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Nice heifer. What is she? She has a very thick coat..
WarriorPatriot":1b96mfst said:
shes a longhorn. doesnt have much horn being 7 months old.
The background: not the best background for a picture, but I love that barn, we had it built a year or so ago and it is great for working with calves inside and not leaving equipment outside.
pic was taken early last week. she's had a little bit of a haircut since then but i havent taken any more pictures
Ryan
When you get a chance take some pics, I would love to see her now. What are you planning to do with her? She is alot nicer than alot of the longhorns I have seen. I do think that people are a little to hard on longhorns, especially "modern" longhorns. Nice heifer. ;-)
If you had said she was a Red Angus I wouldn't have doubted it for a minute despite the enlarged navel. I have seen some Salorns (Salers x Longhorn) that are that nice; but if she is a straight Longhorn, I would have to rate her as the nicest looking Longhorn heifer I have ever seen! Show some pics of her after her the barber got through with her.
Rustler9
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Ryan,
That's a good looking heifer but she sure doesn't look like a Longhorn. I understand that you guys breed for show but she doesn't look anything like the breed. Too much navel flap and where's her horns? I've been in several general TLBAA membership meetings and this has been discussed. Maybe you have a good market for show cattle but I don't see how she could bring much in a registered Longhorn sale, horns do bring money. I'm sure she'll make a good heifer but it looks like the Longhorn traits are being bred out. It makes me wonder why you don't switch to Angus, Lim or something else if you don't want to at least have some horns on them? I've seen alot of these type cattle run through a registered Longhorn sale and they don't bring much-most I've see usually go to a commercial herd. And that's fine too but I think that an animal should be a representative of the breed. When people have to ask what breed a Longhorn animal is I feel like it's time to rethink what's going on with the breeding program. Now, I'm not trying to discount the heifer-she's a nice one but not a good example of what a Longhorn should look like. I can see why the beef people like her, she could easily fit into a beef herd. And I also understand that they were the original beef breed in the United States but they are also called Longhorns.
That's a good looking heifer but she sure doesn't look like a Longhorn. I understand that you guys breed for show but she doesn't look anything like the breed. Too much navel flap and where's her horns? I've been in several general TLBAA membership meetings and this has been discussed. Maybe you have a good market for show cattle but I don't see how she could bring much in a registered Longhorn sale, horns do bring money. I'm sure she'll make a good heifer but it looks like the Longhorn traits are being bred out. It makes me wonder why you don't switch to Angus, Lim or something else if you don't want to at least have some horns on them? I've seen alot of these type cattle run through a registered Longhorn sale and they don't bring much-most I've see usually go to a commercial herd. And that's fine too but I think that an animal should be a representative of the breed. When people have to ask what breed a Longhorn animal is I feel like it's time to rethink what's going on with the breeding program. Now, I'm not trying to discount the heifer-she's a nice one but not a good example of what a Longhorn should look like. I can see why the beef people like her, she could easily fit into a beef herd. And I also understand that they were the original beef breed in the United States but they are also called Longhorns.
BTW, Her birthday is April 4, 2005, not March like I had stated before.
You have your opinion, and you are definantly entitled to that, but here is where we differ:
I'm glad she doesn't look like the "rest of the breed." She is better than most the rest of the breed. She looks like a sound, high quality, young heifer and that is exactly what this breed should look like. Not skinny, boney, animals that make real cattlemen laugh.
We do have a good market for show animals. Horns do bring money, I agree. THat doesnt mean a big horned cow that weighs 800lbs, has a swayed back and terrible udder, is a better Longhorn than any of my animals that are sound, functional with good udders, but only have say 50" or less tip to tip.
Ours have horns, we raise Longhorns b/c we love them, have been doing it for a combined 36 years between my dad and me, and we feel that we can help improve the breed and the animals within it.
I think that people asked what breed she is b/c this heifer is not a skinny butt-ed one that they are used to seeing. I think she would be a tremendous representative of the breed, better than an animal that is bred just for horn in disregard to any structure or reproductive traits.
What do you think one should look like then? Would you feel the same way if had the same body but was spotted and horns out past her ears? The beef people like her b/c she is a sound, high quality bovine with the potential to produce calves with meat on the bone.
By the way, She does have horns, you just cant see them because of the angle of the picture, and her ear covers the one on this side.
You have your opinion, and you are definantly entitled to that, but here is where we differ:
That navel flap came from the genetics GF G-Man. Don't hear many people complain about him, b/c of his horns. And she is only 8 months old, she will grow into some of that extra skin, we've had them do it before, like her mom for example who was a World Grand Champion female with 50" tip to tip at 3 years old.Rustler9":3b983zsr said:
Rustler9":3b983zsr said:
I'm glad she doesn't look like the "rest of the breed." She is better than most the rest of the breed. She looks like a sound, high quality, young heifer and that is exactly what this breed should look like. Not skinny, boney, animals that make real cattlemen laugh.
Rustler9":3b983zsr said:
We do have a good market for show animals. Horns do bring money, I agree. THat doesnt mean a big horned cow that weighs 800lbs, has a swayed back and terrible udder, is a better Longhorn than any of my animals that are sound, functional with good udders, but only have say 50" or less tip to tip.
Rustler9":3b983zsr said:
Ours have horns, we raise Longhorns b/c we love them, have been doing it for a combined 36 years between my dad and me, and we feel that we can help improve the breed and the animals within it.
Rustler9":3b983zsr said:
I think that people asked what breed she is b/c this heifer is not a skinny butt-ed one that they are used to seeing. I think she would be a tremendous representative of the breed, better than an animal that is bred just for horn in disregard to any structure or reproductive traits.
Rustler9":3b983zsr said:
What do you think one should look like then? Would you feel the same way if had the same body but was spotted and horns out past her ears? The beef people like her b/c she is a sound, high quality bovine with the potential to produce calves with meat on the bone.
By the way, She does have horns, you just cant see them because of the angle of the picture, and her ear covers the one on this side.
Rustler9
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If you look at the other earlier respones you will note that they did not recognize what breed of heifer she is. That's my point. I'm not knocking the heifer-she definitely looks like a good heifer.
Beefy wrote:
I have several solid red cows, I never try to breed for any certain color-that's one of the traits that I like about the breed. They don't all look alike. You can have sway backed bony specimens in any breed I suppose. I don't breed and perpetuate those traits either.
WarriorPatriot wrote:
la4angus wrote:
Brandonm2 wrote:
Ryan wrote:
I could care less what color she is, I would not feel the same way if she had horns that were visible and less naval flap. She is a good heifer, I don't dislike her but I would definitely breed her to a bull that has some horns in hopes of putting some on her calves. Yes, it's obvious that everyone that's seen her on this post likes her. And do you know why? The majority of these people are not Longhorn people, and that's fine too but you as a breeder know what the characteristics should be. They all like her because she does not look like a Longhorn. It's fine to breed for big, beefy bodies but it is required that they have Longhorn characteristics-she looks more like Lim or Salers or Salorn breeding as Brandonm2 mentioned. You posted her picture and asked for opinions so there's mine, not that it's going to change your way of thinking and that's fine too. Will she have a total of 40" of horn when she's mature? Look in your requirements set forth by the TLBAA and you'll see that is required. I just wonder why someone would want to take something that is so distinguishable and turn it into a carbon copy of something else. I don't mean this to offend you I just wonder is this what you think constitues a Longhorn? Yes she has good conformation, depth and she happens to look like a number of breeds of cattle that are being bred today but not Longhorn.
Beefy wrote:
She just does not look like a Longhorn heifer.
I have several solid red cows, I never try to breed for any certain color-that's one of the traits that I like about the breed. They don't all look alike. You can have sway backed bony specimens in any breed I suppose. I don't breed and perpetuate those traits either.
WarriorPatriot wrote:
la4angus wrote:
Brandonm2 wrote:
Ryan wrote:
I could care less what color she is, I would not feel the same way if she had horns that were visible and less naval flap. She is a good heifer, I don't dislike her but I would definitely breed her to a bull that has some horns in hopes of putting some on her calves. Yes, it's obvious that everyone that's seen her on this post likes her. And do you know why? The majority of these people are not Longhorn people, and that's fine too but you as a breeder know what the characteristics should be. They all like her because she does not look like a Longhorn. It's fine to breed for big, beefy bodies but it is required that they have Longhorn characteristics-she looks more like Lim or Salers or Salorn breeding as Brandonm2 mentioned. You posted her picture and asked for opinions so there's mine, not that it's going to change your way of thinking and that's fine too. Will she have a total of 40" of horn when she's mature? Look in your requirements set forth by the TLBAA and you'll see that is required. I just wonder why someone would want to take something that is so distinguishable and turn it into a carbon copy of something else. I don't mean this to offend you I just wonder is this what you think constitues a Longhorn? Yes she has good conformation, depth and she happens to look like a number of breeds of cattle that are being bred today but not Longhorn.
Rustler9 wrote:
Exactly. Most of them are Cattlemen. I am trying to raise good Cattle
Here's the deal: I am all for horns, all my cattle have them. It's not that I am selecting against horn, but since the horns play no actual part in reproduction, calf rearing, or anything besides something to look at, it is hard for me to place a whole lot of emphasis on selecting for them. I would love to have a herd full of 60"+ animals, as long as they had the bodies to match.
As for the horns on her: The TLBAA does not have a horn Requirement, I believe if you look at the website under the Breed Guidelines, Section B, number 5:
I am not trying to take anything away from the longhorn breed. Breeders can go in many, many different directions (more than any other breed). I am not trying to take away horns, b/c I know that they are a very vital part of the breed, and I am not trying to copy any other breed. I just want to breed the best possible animals with what I am given to work with.
Exactly. Most of them are Cattlemen. I am trying to raise good Cattle
Here's the deal: I am all for horns, all my cattle have them. It's not that I am selecting against horn, but since the horns play no actual part in reproduction, calf rearing, or anything besides something to look at, it is hard for me to place a whole lot of emphasis on selecting for them. I would love to have a herd full of 60"+ animals, as long as they had the bodies to match.
As for the horns on her: The TLBAA does not have a horn Requirement, I believe if you look at the website under the Breed Guidelines, Section B, number 5:
The headline reads "Desirable" not "Required"
I am not trying to take anything away from the longhorn breed. Breeders can go in many, many different directions (more than any other breed). I am not trying to take away horns, b/c I know that they are a very vital part of the breed, and I am not trying to copy any other breed. I just want to breed the best possible animals with what I am given to work with.
Arnold Ziffle
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rustler --- don't you think that, at least, she has LH "wheels"?
Rustler9
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huh?
Rustler9
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Ryan,
What's the breeding on this heifer? You mentioned G-Man. He has horns and good Longhorn chararcteristics. What's her mother's side?
Ryan wrote:
I guess I should say then if you are raising a particular breed of cattle do you not want them to have the desired characteristics of the breed? I do. It's fine to breed for the conformation but are you breeding these cattle for meat or for show? Or both? I can see why they win, they are beefy. Still, my point is and I think you've yet to get it. They need to somewhat resemble the breed that they are a part of. If you want to breed something that looks like red Angus (and I'm not knocking red Angus) why don't you raise red Angus? That's all I'm asking.
What's the breeding on this heifer? You mentioned G-Man. He has horns and good Longhorn chararcteristics. What's her mother's side?
Ryan wrote:
Sorry, I worded it wrong.
I guess I should say then if you are raising a particular breed of cattle do you not want them to have the desired characteristics of the breed? I do. It's fine to breed for the conformation but are you breeding these cattle for meat or for show? Or both? I can see why they win, they are beefy. Still, my point is and I think you've yet to get it. They need to somewhat resemble the breed that they are a part of. If you want to breed something that looks like red Angus (and I'm not knocking red Angus) why don't you raise red Angus? That's all I'm asking.
Rustler9":1v6jwrym said:
Here is a link to her pedigree: http://www.shopsanddollarranch.com/inv- ... edbird.pdf
One of our Herd Sires is S-D Mr G, a G-Man son. Mr. G is the Great Grand Sire on the mother side (Mr G is the sire of the Maternal grandmother) Mr G has extra skin under the neck and belly that shows up in some of his offspring and other descendants. SD Mattie's Redemption (2004 World Grand Champion Non-Haltered Female, daughter of NP Redeemer's REdemption) is the dam of the pictured heifer, Mattie's Redemption's dam is SD Miss Mattie (2001 TLBT National Reserve Senior Champion Female, S-D MR G daughter). The pictured heifer's sire is SD Braveheart (NP Redeemer's Redemption son).
Rustler9":1v6jwrym said:
We are raising these animals for show, seedstock, and beef. We want animals that excel in the show ring and the pasture, and if we decide one nees to be eaten, we want them to taste good and have a substantial amount of beef that is high quality.
I understand that you do not think she resembles the breed, but I do. I know her and her pedigree and realize that she has the potential to be a tremendous cow one day. Just like you said previously that Longhorns are the "Original Beef Breed" I want my animals to look like beef animals.
In my opinion there are 2 types of cattle: Dairy and Beef. We don't milk our cows. The exeption to that is watusi or corriente, I call them "exotics" cause they are nearly 100% used for novelty and I feel that Texas Longhorns are a better animal and breed than that.
Ryan
Rustler9
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Most every herd has some solid colored ones in it but I don't know that anyone is specifically breeding for just solids. It depends on what and how many you are looking for, you may have to go around to different farms and buy a few here and there. Check your local sale barn if you are interested in commercial ones-our sale barn usually has a few going through from time to time. I bought two commercial red cows a couple of months ago. One is heavy bred to an Angus bull.
