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SRBeef
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options":1ghzd4r0 said:
With all due respect, I think you have missed the point. Compared to selling a fat at the sale barn for 85 cents a pound, figuring my price on a fat at $1.30 per pound covers a lot of the additional costs involved with producing and selling what might be called a specialty product.
Are you also saying that 85 cents on a fat is a "Fair" price? My customers so far think they are getting a good deal. They do not feel they are being taken advantage of. And this is not a real high income group of customers...
One of the interesting things about life in a free country is we have a lot of paths we can choose. If you want to sell good calves at 65 cents as they are going for now, that is certainly your choice. Good day.
Jim
SRBeef
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tncattle467":32cw67h0 said:
Not all of us have a feed truck filling self feeders. Selling it is work. a lot of work.
Ask a lot of the automotive people these days: designing and building a car is easy compared to selling it at a price that makes sense/profit enough so you get to do it again next year. Over and out.
Jim
Jim with all due respect your product is no more special than most slaughter cattle sold at the auction barns bringing $85. Do I think $85 dollars is a fair price? yes I do. Not only is it fair but that is currently the actual value of slaughter cattle. If you want to mark your cattle up 65% you can do just that, this is like you say a free country. I perfer to sell my slaughter steers as arm's length transactions.SRBeef":38moshnb said:
As far as selling good calves for $65. With today's current feeder market conditions, if you are selling calves for $65 they were NOT good calves.
I think you are selling to cheap. My customers don't want to go to a sale barn and buy a fat steer for $.85 and not know how it was fed, how it was raised, what breed it is, where it was raise, what's been injected into it, etc... Since I can provide them this info, it makes my steer worth more than the one selling at the sale barn, I dont know why that's so hard for some people to understand? :?
I'm sorry I keep forgetting that 99.9% of the people here at CT raise the best beef that can be bought. The rest of the producers raise just awful bad beef. I bet your kids are the best things ever too huh?LimiMan":kgem9r5e said:
tncattle467":1bks9kqt said:
Think about it they all think their cattle are superior to anything that can be bought at a sale barn. Yet salebarn cattle also come from cattle producers who also think they have the best cattle with the best care, best genetics, blah blah blah.
Just like parents, every child has a parent, and every parent thinks their children are superior to the other kids. Guess what not everybody has superior kids or cattle they just think they do.
Jeanne - Simme Valley
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Option - you miss the point. It is PERCEIVED to be better. That is the buyer's perception, not the producers. Selling direct to the buyer, the buyer feels "connected" to the operation, and gets that "feel good" feeling!
I think $1.30 is way too low. You are talking hanging weight? You can't hardly buy GOOD hamburg for $1.30 in the grocery store (90-95% lean).
If Option wants to feed out steers to fatten & sell them at $0.85 hanging, let him. The last steers we sold in May & June were sent to a packing plant & sold on the rail. We got $1.49 - $1.52 / HCW. That's without the "feel good" sale! :banana: We are presenty going to grind a cull cow & will sell the hamburg for $1.30.
So, Jim, get whatever your customers are confortable with. Knowing where it comes from & comparing what they have to buy it for at the grocery store, it's a bargain. Have you priced steaks!!!?
And by the way, I just sold my feeder steers (completely preconditioned), averaging 875# (off our own scales) for $1/lb. Feedlot buyer is thrilled with them. Says he always makes money on our steers. Doesn't mind paying the extra because they make him money.
I think $1.30 is way too low. You are talking hanging weight? You can't hardly buy GOOD hamburg for $1.30 in the grocery store (90-95% lean).
If Option wants to feed out steers to fatten & sell them at $0.85 hanging, let him. The last steers we sold in May & June were sent to a packing plant & sold on the rail. We got $1.49 - $1.52 / HCW. That's without the "feel good" sale! :banana: We are presenty going to grind a cull cow & will sell the hamburg for $1.30.
So, Jim, get whatever your customers are confortable with. Knowing where it comes from & comparing what they have to buy it for at the grocery store, it's a bargain. Have you priced steaks!!!?
And by the way, I just sold my feeder steers (completely preconditioned), averaging 875# (off our own scales) for $1/lb. Feedlot buyer is thrilled with them. Says he always makes money on our steers. Doesn't mind paying the extra because they make him money.
options":13sguk0q said:
What do you think those cattle cost by the time they left the slaughter house, were delivered to the grocery store and bought by the customer? My guess would be well over the price that SRBeef is getting for his beef.
gberry using the numbers srbeef has provided he will be selling the retail meat at around $5.50 per pound.
In 2008 average retail value was $4.33 per pound. I'm almost certain the price has not risen $1.17 in less than a year.
In 2008 average retail value was $4.33 per pound. I'm almost certain the price has not risen $1.17 in less than a year.
When did they start buying slaughter cattle at the salebarn by the hanging weight? And where does this happen I wann see that. Do the cattle come rolling along thru the ring on the rail?Jeanne - Simme Valley":2mmupzln said:
chippie
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I did a search on Craigslist for beef within 600 miles of Houston. Here are a few of the results.
Texas
Missouri
Alabama
Oklahoma
Tennessee
What a person chooses to sell their product is his or her business. If the customer is happy and is a repeat customer, then kudos for a job well done.
ETA: options just likes to
Texas
http://austin.craigslist.org/grd/1459621745.html
We keep it simple, one fee. $3.60 per lb hanging weight. ($1,200-1,700 per whole calf) You can request a smaller/larger calf in that range.
The price will range from $150 to $200, depending on size of calf for an 1/8th.
Chec k out our website or please call for additional questions. Raising 5 Cattle Co., http://www.raising5.com
Missouri
Alabama
Oklahoma
Tennessee
What a person chooses to sell their product is his or her business. If the customer is happy and is a repeat customer, then kudos for a job well done.
ETA: options just likes to
Jeanne - Simme Valley
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Options - sorry, that was a screw-up. Didn't mean to put in the word "hanging". Even I'm smart enough to know you're not selling hanging at $0.85 - especially at the sale barn :lol: :banana: :banana:options":3i47oz60 said:
And, I think you misunderstood my statement. We sold Hanging carcasses back in May & June for $1.49 - $1.52 (thru Cornell feedout program - we don't finish any at our farm).
chippie
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We have sold meat in the past to friends. I charged the same price the processor charges for a half and I paid the processing fees.
The last half that I sold cost $2.79 per pound hanging weight and was cut to the buyer's specs. I picked up the meat and delivered it. The price paid covered the processing and kill fee and had enough left over to cover the cost of the feed and hay that was fed. Our friend got half and we basically got our half for free.
He was happy and so were we.
The last half that I sold cost $2.79 per pound hanging weight and was cut to the buyer's specs. I picked up the meat and delivered it. The price paid covered the processing and kill fee and had enough left over to cover the cost of the feed and hay that was fed. Our friend got half and we basically got our half for free.
He was happy and so were we.
options":13btaocd said:
I don't see how you came up with $5.50/lb. An 1100 lb steer hanging 60% =660 lb carcass. Cutout 60% = 396 lbs beef. $1430 sale price + $.50/lb processing = $1760. 1760/396=$4.44. So a price imo that is very fair and nearly the same as retail average.
My initial statement was incorrect in that retail is not more expensive (I had not done any calculations), but I think his price is fair for the customer and him. Additionally, one could argue that his is a value added product as the consumer is more sure of the handling of the animal prior to processing. Hormone and antibiotic treatment of beef cattle is not a big issue to everyone but it is to some.
I think most people buying a beef such as the one SRBeef is selling are willing to pay a little more for what they perceive as a safer, higher quality product. After all, almost everyone on these boards would prefer to eat a steak from one of their home grown cattle than Walmart. If it's better to us, doesn't it logically follow that it would be better to customers and they would be willing to pay at least an equivalent price?
SRBeef
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I was thinking this thread would just die but see that it has not. What I sell my beef for is no one's business except me and my customers.
However, to correct some erroneous numbers here, I will get into detail: I sell split halves for $3.90/lb delivered. That includes about 90 cents of usda processing/shrink wrap. If you assume there is about 440 lb of saleable minimum bone beef in an 1050 lb steer less the processing, 440 lb x $3 net (3.90-.90 processing) = about $1320 gross which is where I get about $1.30 on the live weight. $1320/1050lb=$1.26/lb live to be exact in a recent steer for example.
Selling split halves which is all cuts, vacuum packed, delivered to your door and including processing, transportation, and other selling costs at $3.90/lb is NOT gouging the customer! With the quality of the beef they are getting, knowing the source, comparing to what the same would cost in the store, they love it! I am not saying everyone should or can market their beef like this. This is not for everyone and more work then meets the eye.
Nowhere in here am I claiming my cattle are "better" than anyone elses' cattle. Nor would I ever do so.
We all enjoy showing pictures of our cattle, like we do our kids! Are they all blue ribbon cattle or kids?? No, but we love them anyway and are proud of them.
Have a good Thanksgiving holiday everyone. Jim.
However, to correct some erroneous numbers here, I will get into detail: I sell split halves for $3.90/lb delivered. That includes about 90 cents of usda processing/shrink wrap. If you assume there is about 440 lb of saleable minimum bone beef in an 1050 lb steer less the processing, 440 lb x $3 net (3.90-.90 processing) = about $1320 gross which is where I get about $1.30 on the live weight. $1320/1050lb=$1.26/lb live to be exact in a recent steer for example.
Selling split halves which is all cuts, vacuum packed, delivered to your door and including processing, transportation, and other selling costs at $3.90/lb is NOT gouging the customer! With the quality of the beef they are getting, knowing the source, comparing to what the same would cost in the store, they love it! I am not saying everyone should or can market their beef like this. This is not for everyone and more work then meets the eye.
Nowhere in here am I claiming my cattle are "better" than anyone elses' cattle. Nor would I ever do so.
We all enjoy showing pictures of our cattle, like we do our kids! Are they all blue ribbon cattle or kids?? No, but we love them anyway and are proud of them.
Have a good Thanksgiving holiday everyone. Jim.
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