Grandview Genetics

[THG]

Dear Hereford Friends and Breeders,

I have believed that the Grandview Genetics operation is at the forefront of the breed. I believe in there breeding more than any other hereford cowherd. If you would like to comment, I would like to know what you think of Grandview Genetics? William Adair is by far the smartest breeder I have met before. Can't wait to see his offering soon! I am leaving for Grandview on Thursday.

So, what are your pros and cons of Grandview Genetics? Lets keep this a "serious" topic thanks! No wise cracks please, I want honest answers and opinions. Thanks again!

THG

 

[Johnny]

I bought two angus bulls there two years ago and will never go back. Talked to Adair before the sale and the talk sounded great. During sale I thought the bulls were going cheap for the quality and thought this is my lucky day.

After I got home looked up the two bulls I bought on angus websight and one wasn't even registered yet and other had no performance data turned in to association. Went round and round with Adair, he finally told me he didn't breed the bulls but was only selling them. Told me to contact the breeder who was in Kentucky I think.

When I contacted the Womacks, he said they really didn't believe in EPD's and therefore didn't turn in info to assn. The catalog was full of EPD's and performance info and led you to believe they were really into performance testing.

The next time I ran into Richard Dyer who was working the ring at the Grandview sale he told me that it was not the Angus Association problem and basically let the buyer beware.

Long story short I would stay as far away fromWilliam Adair as possible. Breeders of this type give the seedstock industry very bad rep.

Johnny

 

[TB-Herefords]

I am not a huge fan of polled genetic's in general. As for Grandview's buissness moral I dont know him personally. Polled genetic's came from horned cattle. I've seen a polled bull with all horned genetics and horned bull with all polled genetic's. It seam's like polled genetic's are out of wack when it comes to performance data. Negitive CE, high BW; good WW and high YW. Or the opposite Positive CE, low BW; low WW and low YW. I know there are a lot of polled bulls with great data and good genetic's; but in general general I thin they lack on both ends. Personaly my favorite breeders are horned bull breeders. Holden; Shaw; I like Spencers bulls but have not purchased any yet. He has some really balanced traits and the genetics I really like.

 

[THG]

Grandview Genetics doesn't have an Angus cowherd anymore. Grandview has grand Polled Hereford genetics and Adair's genetics is what I would want to build my cowherd on. William Adair is a fine individual and one that a lot of people should get to know even better than now.

THG

 

[KNERSIE]

Grandview Genetics doesn't have an Angus cowherd anymore. Grandview has grand Polled Hereford genetics and Adair's genetics is what I would want to build my cowherd on. William Adair is a fine individual and one that a lot of people should get to know even better than now.

THG

I don't know his genetics, do you have a link?

 

[oakcreekfarms]

Most all of his genetics link themselves to the P606 bull in his two and three year olds.

Matt why do you like them, because their sale book has pretty pictures? I thought you had already built a cow herd? Not trying to start anything, just wondering.

Their cows seem to have good udders, some of their younger cows seem to lack the depth that I look for. Of course it is hard to gather any real info from a picture, that is all I have seen.

 

[jhambley]

Knersie,

I found this site on google:

http://www.grandviewgenetics.com/

Jerry

 

[CPL]

What are we comparing his herd to? I don't think his cattle would have a place in my herd. All depends on who you are and what you want.

 

[iowahawkeyes]

Grandview has bought out a lot of American and Canadian herds the last few years. So it's not like they have had a certain bloodline for a long time and established themselves that way.

 

[Oldtimer]

All I had to see was the Remitall name on all the herd sires-- which means they are more saddle horse sized than most ranch cattle sized... :roll:

 

[TB-Herefords]

I know I might be emphasizing a little to much at the EPD's; but would you breed your cattle to a bull that is -11 on calving ease and above avg. on birth weight. With those herd bulls you would think he spends calving season in the calving shed.

 

[THG]

William Adair has "yes" purchased a lot of Canadian Cattle (Remitalls) and also he has purchased Stockdales and some other cowherds here in the States. I just think the sires and his donors that he mates up are super. I have seen great udders from his program. I would rather go to Grandview and buy a good one, rather than Star Lake or DeShazer, but that is me.

THG

 

[KNERSIE]

All I had to see was the Remitall name on all the herd sires-- which means they are more saddle horse sized than most ranch cattle sized... :roll:

Let's just say that from the bloodlines I see and comparing the size of the cattle against that of the people in the photos, I think they might have more "performance" than my environment can support.

 

[THG]

All I had to see was the Remitall name on all the herd sires-- which means they are more saddle horse sized than most ranch cattle sized... :roll:

Let's just say that from the bloodlines I see and comparing the size of the cattle against that of the people in the photos, I think they might have more "performance" than my environment can support.

KNERSIE, Remitalls was bought out by Grandview Genetics in 2004. Remitall bloodlines are a bloodline that is all about high performance type cattle. If you like Victor, Felton, or KCF, you wouldn't want to get around Remitalls. But, just look at all the Hereford cattle in todays breed that trace back to Remitall genetics and tell me that Remitall isn't a very popular bloodline to follow.

THG

 

[KNERSIE]

All I had to see was the Remitall name on all the herd sires-- which means they are more saddle horse sized than most ranch cattle sized... :roll:

Let's just say that from the bloodlines I see and comparing the size of the cattle against that of the people in the photos, I think they might have more "performance" than my environment can support.

KNERSIE, Remitalls was bought out by Grandview Genetics in 2004. Remitall bloodlines are a bloodline that is all about high performance type cattle. If you like Victor, Felton, or KCF, you wouldn't want to get around Remitalls. But, just look at all the Hereford cattle in todays breed that trace back to Remitall genetics and tell me that Remitall isn't a very popular bloodline to follow.

THG

I have no doubt that Remitall bloodlines are very popular, I also have no doubt that they have a role to play, but like I said my environment can't support that type of performance, for the same reasons my environment can't support simmentals. I need my herefords to be drought hustlers that can still perform at an acceptable level with minimal inputs.

As soon as I lean too much in either direction, either mother nature is going to tell me I went overboard and punish me with hard doing or open cows or if I go overboard in the other direction and my cattle don't have enough performance my bull customers will start looking elsewhere. It's all big balancing act, and a case of horses for courses.

 

[THG]

All I had to see was the Remitall name on all the herd sires-- which means they are more saddle horse sized than most ranch cattle sized... :roll:

Let's just say that from the bloodlines I see and comparing the size of the cattle against that of the people in the photos, I think they might have more "performance" than my environment can support.

KNERSIE, Remitalls was bought out by Grandview Genetics in 2004. Remitall bloodlines are a bloodline that is all about high performance type cattle. If you like Victor, Felton, or KCF, you wouldn't want to get around Remitalls. But, just look at all the Hereford cattle in todays breed that trace back to Remitall genetics and tell me that Remitall isn't a very popular bloodline to follow.

THG

I have no doubt that Remitall bloodlines are very popular, I also have no doubt that they have a role to play, but like I said my environment can't support that type of performance, for the same reasons my environment can't support simmentals. I need my herefords to be drought hustlers that can still perform at an acceptable level with minimal inputs.

As soon as I lean too much in either direction, either mother nature is going to tell me I went overboard and punish me with hard doing or open cows or if I go overboard in the other direction and my cattle don't have enough performance my bull customers will start looking elsewhere. It's all big balancing act, and a case of horses for courses.

Well, for one, Remitall Cattle are not hard doing cattle, neither is Grandview's cattle. But, I see what your saying. Remitall Cattle are bred to adapt to colder climates and harder times when winter roles around. So, I guess the location you live in is pretty much warm and the climate is again not adpated to handle Remitall Genetics. But, KNERSIE, Grandview Plantation is in Mississippi and Texas, and it gets hot there as well through the summer months and the cattle have adapted well to that climate.

THG

 

[KNERSIE]

All I had to see was the Remitall name on all the herd sires-- which means they are more saddle horse sized than most ranch cattle sized... :roll:

Let's just say that from the bloodlines I see and comparing the size of the cattle against that of the people in the photos, I think they might have more "performance" than my environment can support.

KNERSIE, Remitalls was bought out by Grandview Genetics in 2004. Remitall bloodlines are a bloodline that is all about high performance type cattle. If you like Victor, Felton, or KCF, you wouldn't want to get around Remitalls. But, just look at all the Hereford cattle in todays breed that trace back to Remitall genetics and tell me that Remitall isn't a very popular bloodline to follow.

THG

I have no doubt that Remitall bloodlines are very popular, I also have no doubt that they have a role to play, but like I said my environment can't support that type of performance, for the same reasons my environment can't support simmentals. I need my herefords to be drought hustlers that can still perform at an acceptable level with minimal inputs.

As soon as I lean too much in either direction, either mother nature is going to tell me I went overboard and punish me with hard doing or open cows or if I go overboard in the other direction and my cattle don't have enough performance my bull customers will start looking elsewhere. It's all big balancing act, and a case of horses for courses.

Well, for one, Remitall Cattle are not hard doing cattle, neither is Grandview's cattle. But, I see what your saying. Remitall Cattle are bred to adapt to colder climates and harder times when winter roles around. So, I guess the location you live in is pretty much warm and the climate is again not adpated to handle Remitall Genetics. But, KNERSIE, Grandview Plantation is in Mississippi and Texas, and it gets hot there as well through the summer months and the cattle have adapted well to that climate.


THG

You can breed cattle that is adapted to your climate, but I am afraid you can't breed a climate to fit your prefered genetics.

What I am saying, and it hasn't got anything to do with Remitall or Grandview cattle and their doingability, you need to match your performance with the environment they need to perform in, regardless of what bloodlines you use. Droughts and long periods of very low quality and quantity forage is a given in my environment, cattle that put everything into their calf won't maintain themselves here.

I am quite sure if we have a good year those high performance cattle will outperform my herd, but when the going gets tough I'll rather have my own moderate (or mediocre) cattle.

 

[HerefordSire]

Dear Hereford Friends and Breeders,

I have believed that the Grandview Genetics operation is at the forefront of the breed. I believe in there breeding more than any other hereford cowherd. If you would like to comment, I would like to know what you think of Grandview Genetics? William Adair is by far the smartest breeder I have met before. Can't wait to see his offering soon! I am leaving for Grandview on Thursday.

So, what are your pros and cons of Grandview Genetics? Lets keep this a "serious" topic thanks! No wise cracks please, I want honest answers and opinions. Thanks again!

THG

THG....

You and most others that frequent the boards know much more about Hereford cattle than I. This is my opinion about the subject:

The cash (deep pockets) behind the operation is the same as Remitall and many other leading operations such as Stockdale, etc. In order to grow revenue and cash flow (buying companies and or industry consolidation), specfic genetics must be utilized. There is a good possibility this trend of consolidation will continue. When I see a name like Grandview or Remitall, I see the major stockholder or owner. In this case, it is probably Mr. Adair. The cattle may describe Mr. Adair's (or Wommack's) taste.

Regardless, look at this battery of donor cows Mr. Adair apparently controls:

http://www.grandviewgenetics.com/grandv ... onors.html

I think I can take the above donor cows and flush all the cows with a mixture of all of the leading 500 hereford bulls (semen) in the world and be relatively diversified. In other words, if your heart is beating and in the market for a Hereford, I can more or less fill your order no matter what your buying objections are.

 

[THG]

KNERSIE, you and I think a lot alike. I believe just like you. Here in the part of Virginia where I live, some summers are dry and drought sets in, like this past summer 07. But, Remitall and Grandview genetics stood up to the climates. They did well with the lack of forge and water that also set in. But, now, we got about 4" of rain almost a month ago, and it was a blessing from God.

Some breeders think that I should change my outlook on Herefords, and start breeding cattle that have the brand KCF, Feltons, or Victor. Well, I am not into Feltons, a name that is dying with time, but there is some still active Felton sires. KCF cattle are great, but they are just not my type of cattle, because they don't have enough performance of me. And then, victor breeding, well I like darker coated cattle, and victors aren't very dark red like I like. So, if I want high performance cattle, I am going to stick with Grandview and Remitall genetics.

THG

 

[THG]

Dear Hereford Friends and Breeders,

I have believed that the Grandview Genetics operation is at the forefront of the breed. I believe in there breeding more than any other hereford cowherd. If you would like to comment, I would like to know what you think of Grandview Genetics? William Adair is by far the smartest breeder I have met before. Can't wait to see his offering soon! I am leaving for Grandview on Thursday.

So, what are your pros and cons of Grandview Genetics? Lets keep this a "serious" topic thanks! No wise cracks please, I want honest answers and opinions. Thanks again!

THG

THG....

You and most others that frequent the boards know much more about Hereford cattle than I. This is my opinion about the subject:

The cash (deep pockets) behind the operation is the same as Remitall and many other leading operations such as Stockdale, etc. In order to grow revenue and cash flow (buying companies and or industry consolidation), specfic genetics must be utilized. There is a good possibility this trend of consolidation will continue. When I see a name like Grandview or Remitall, I see the major stockholder or owner. In this case, it is probably Mr. Adair. The cattle may describe Mr. Adair's (or Wommack's) taste.

Regardless, look at this battery of donor cows Mr. Adair apparently controls:

http://www.grandviewgenetics.com/grandv ... onors.html

I think I can take the above donor cows and flush all the cows with a mixture of all of the leading 500 hereford bulls (semen) in the world and be relatively diversified. In other words, if your heart is beating and in the market for a Hereford, I can more or less fill your order no matter what your buying objections are.

Yes Hereford Sire, William Adair, Stockdale, and the Latimer family have deep pockets, but they worked hard for those deep pockets. I mean the Latimers just had there 38th or 39th Fall Female Production sale. Adair has been in the Hereford business for over 45 years and Stockdale has also been around for awhile. So, if I have been in business for this long and I have offered cattle for that many years at public auction, I believe I would also be wealthy as well.

THG