Grab the popcorn and your brass knuckles!

[Mr. Greenjeans]

Since fidelity to reality is of secondary importance, and typing lends itself to more ease than the shaking of cotton seed cake, lets presume a perfect world scenario where hide color holds no importance other than its benefit toward environmental pressures. Let us assume that with the snap of our fingers, all would change to our bidding, in regard to breed predominance. I am curious as to which breed (established composites are accepted but purebreeds are preferred) would be the best maternal choice to the following geographical areas. In addition, which breed of sire would best compliment each choice since a cross-bred final product is most financially beneficial. No retention of crossbreeding would be expected since purebreds would be the norm for all maternal production.

1. 15-25 inches of rainfall, brutally hot and drought stricken summers, mild winters (e.g. West and Central Texas, Western Oklahoma)
Maternal breed: ? Terminal sire: ?

2. 40-50 inches of rainfall, humid hot summers, fly/parasite pressures, mild winters (e.g. Deep South)
Maternal breed: ? Terminal sire: ?

3. Brutally cold winters, mild summers (e.g. Minnesota, Wisconsin)
Maternal breed: ? Terminal sire: ?

4. New England area
Maternal breed: ? Terminal sire: ?

5. 37th to 38th parallel (e.g. Missouri, Kentucky, lower Indiana, lower Illinois)
Maternal breed: ? Terminal sire: ?

6. Tidewater (Eastern Virginia, Eastern North Carolina)
Maternal breed: ? Terminal sire: ?

 

[inyati13]

#5, Kentucky, Virginia, Missouri Region.
First, this is an ideal region for beef cattle. It has the physiographic characteristics that has earned it a reputation for producing cattle and horses since North America was settled by Europeans.

I like my Simangus cattle. Frequently, the maternal side is Angus and they are bred by Simmental bulls or high percentage simmentals.
This is not from my personal knowledge but what I see here in this part of KY.

 

[CKC1586]

Based on the beating Taurus gave me over my flavor of Kool Aid. I won't voice my opinion on this thread. But I guess most of you know what my preferences are....Have a great day.
Hey is this considered gray Saturday since yesterday was black Friday?????

 

[3waycross]

Based on the beating Taurus gave me over my flavor of Kool Aid. I won't voice my opinion on this thread. But I guess most of you know what my preferences are....Have a great day.
Hey is this considered gray Saturday since yesterday was black Friday?????

I wouldn't lose much sleep over being flamed by the little bovine knowledger general if i was you!

 

[Taurus]

Based on the beating Taurus gave me over my flavor of Kool Aid. I won't voice my opinion on this thread. But I guess most of you know what my preferences are....Have a great day.
Hey is this considered gray Saturday since yesterday was black Friday?????

you called that one a beating? You take it way serious.

 

[inyati13]

Based on the beating Taurus gave me over my flavor of Kool Aid. I won't voice my opinion on this thread. But I guess most of you know what my preferences are....Have a great day.
Hey is this considered gray Saturday since yesterday was black Friday?????

Cindy, don't empower others by placing too much value on their commentary, afterall, that is what it is. Comeback and help provide Mr Greenjeans enough responses to make this interesting.

 

[Mr. Greenjeans]

1. West Texas -- Maternal: Brangus -- Sire: Gelbvieh

2. Deep South -- Maternal: Senepol -- Sire: Angus

3. Frozen Tundra -- Maternal: Simmental -- Sire: Murray Gray

4. New England -- Maternal: Angus -- Sire: Gelbvieh

5. 37th to 38th Parallel -- Maternal: SimAngus -- Sire: Tarentaise (just for fun)

6. Tidewater -- Maternal: ? -- Sire: ?

For what it's worth, my experience is only with production in West Texas

 

[Taurus]

Based on the beating Taurus gave me over my flavor of Kool Aid. I won't voice my opinion on this thread. But I guess most of you know what my preferences are....Have a great day.
Hey is this considered gray Saturday since yesterday was black Friday?????

Cindy, don't empower others by placing too much value on their commentary, afterall, that is what it is. Comeback and help provide Mr Greenjeans enough responses to make this interesting.

yeah come back and show us that you have thick skin instead of crying over of a sarcastic post for no reason.

 

[Aaron]

Anywhere feed and moisture are plentiful, you'll have more continental breeds. Where it isn't plentiful, British cattle will be the predominant choice.

 

[Taurus]

Any reason why Murray Grey a terminal sire in that situation?

 

[inyati13]

In the #5 Region, the characteristics of the region allows one to do well with any of the main-stream breeds of beef cattle. I personally would not pursue any of the breeds that do not have large markets for seedstock, semen and embryos. In matter of fact, very few stray out in the brier patch. Just drive around the big beef counties here in KY. You see mainly, Angus (some red), Simmental, Charolais, Gelbvieh and hereford. Maybe a few shorthorn. Eventually, Americans aspire to reach for the top. To do that, you can not stray too far off in the brier patch.

 

[inyati13]

1. West Texas -- Maternal: Brangus -- Sire: Gelbvieh

2. Deep South -- Maternal: Senepol -- Sire: Angus

3. Frozen Tundra -- Maternal: Simmental -- Sire: Murray Gray

4. New England -- Maternal: Angus -- Sire: Gelbvieh

5. 37th to 38th Parallel -- Maternal: SimAngus -- Sire: Tarentaise (just for fun)

6. Tidewater -- Maternal: ? -- Sire: ?

For what it's worth, my experience is only with production in West Texas

You put on a new title. :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Taurus]

well for #3 it will have to be a yak cow bred to a Galloway bull or just go with full-blooded musk oxen.

 

[inyati13]

well for #3 it will have to be a yak cow bred to a Galloway bull or just go with full-blooded musk oxen.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[inyati13]

Mr Greenjeans, you omitted a couple major regions which is known for beef. The High Plains and Rocky Mtn States like Montana, Wyoming and Colorado. Then there is the plains states, like the Dakotas, Nebraska, Iowa, etc.

Talk about frozen tundra, go to Bismarck, or Mile City, Sidney or Glendive in Montana in the middle of winter. You need a down parka in North Dakota until May 1st. If the wind is blowing and I think it always does, you may want to keep the parka in the truck of your car until the fourth of July.

 

[Mr. Greenjeans]

The "Frozen Tundra" was simply a football reference to the Green Bay Packers football field and the corresponding need for silage during winter time since grazing is somewhat prohibitive in -20 deg weather. In reply to other comments, some layered in oily sarcasm while others are simply from an inquisitive standpoint, I certainly understand there are more diverse areas of the Continental U.S. besides those mentioned. The areas listed were based on temperature, rainfall, and parasite pressures. Altitude has never been a concern of mine since I reside in West Texas but heat and the lack of rainfall is always of concern. It is duly noted that there are plenty of cattle and considerations out west. Since I have not travelled via land further east than the Mississippi River and I was just facing east on my porch when I conjured up this cognitive exercise, I decided to breach the subject from a curiosity standpoint. I have traveled to most of the areas out west that were not mentioned and have seen the cattle first hand. My goal was to enjoy tangent discussions in regard to purebred options for areas for which I have never been able to enjoy firsthand. Thanks for noticing the Murray Gray suggestion. I was totally out of bounds on that one -- or was I?

 

[glacierridge]

1. West Texas -- Maternal: Brangus -- Sire: Gelbvieh

2. Deep South -- Maternal: Senepol -- Sire: Angus

3. Frozen Tundra -- Maternal: Simmental -- Sire: Murray Gray

4. New England -- Maternal: Angus -- Sire: Gelbvieh

5. 37th to 38th Parallel -- Maternal: SimAngus -- Sire: Tarentaise (just for fun)

6. Tidewater -- Maternal: ? -- Sire: ?

For what it's worth, my experience is only with production in West Texas

You put on a new title. :lol: :lol: :lol:

It can be...
Brrr.
I would pick something different to go with that Simmy ;-)

 

[glacierridge]

I like that Senepol selection too.
That could also be used for tidewater.

Or water buffalo.

 

[skeeter swatter]

Minnesota- maternal, Angus/Baldie, (red or black)
Sire- Char or Salers.

 

[Isomade]

1. West Texas -- Maternal: Ultra Black -- Sire: Charolais

2. Deep South -- Maternal: Brangus -- Sire: Charolais

3. Frozen Tundra -- Maternal: Angus/Herf -- Sire: GV

4. New England -- Maternal: Angus/Herf -- Sire: GV

5. 37th to 38th Parallel -- Maternal: Ultra-- Sire: GV