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I know freeze branding works best when cattle are younger bc the hide isnt as thick and tough and the brand will grow with the animal like it should. My question is: At what age do y'all freeze brand exactly? Or when is the soonest. In recent years we waited til they were 8+ months old, but i would like a little better results. And has anyone had much success branding older cattle? Thanks!
 
Just started ours in the fall only did 2yr olds and up it worked great. Used methanol and dry ice the 2yr olds held it on for 1min anything older than that 1min 15sec. I sprayed the irons with the methanol a couple of times while holding the iron on. Tried 2 different blade heads used #10 and surgical didnt see any real difference between the 2.
 
Whats methanol? I used alchol.

I tried it 2 years ago. Did it by the book as far as I could tell. Some turned out a little bit. Most didn't. One guy told me to put the alchol on with a paint brush before I applied each number. I just sprayed the area that I shaved with a windex bottle. Other wise I talked to 3 people that had done it and they said it should of worked. So thats why Im asking about the methanol.
 
Methanol is a racing fuel. I soak the shaved area in Methanol then put the iron on hold pressure on it but not try and push through them. Then i spray the edges of the iron while its on them a couple of times.
 
We freeze brand at 1 yr old. We use liquid nitrogen. We clip the area, spray it with alcohol until it's soaked and then hold the brand on them for 40 seconds. We push the iron fairly tight so when they jump the brand doesn't come off the hide. We've found that if the brand loses contact even for a few seconds, it doesn't turn out as good. We used to use dry ice, but the nitrogen seems to work a lot better.
 
Ya I used the dry ice. Put the alcohol and dry ice in a 5 gal bucket, insulated with hay in an empty lick tub. Shaved the area, sprayed it with windex bottle (alcohol), and applied for minute 15. Applied good pressure. They didn't move much. If they did I stayed on a tick longer. Left like 3 minutes between use of irons (or what ever was recomended on web site) and a lot of the time I had frost on the iron handles above the alcohol. All in all I was pretty disappointed. Never thought about evaporation on the shaved area. Going to try it again doing it that way and maybe try the racing fuel. Its going to cost more Ill bet? Seams like I seen something saying not to use fuel. Flamable I sopose. None of us smoke so should be good.
 
We have always used dry ice and alcohol. Some turn out great, some are pretty faint. But dry ice and alcohol is so widely recommended, i expected better results. And ive heard that liquid nitrogen does a great job. But it is fairly expensive. At least compared to the former method. And we dont have any way to store it besides our semen tanks.

Were getting ready to brand is why im asking. I guess ill try soaking longer and applying longer and see how it works.
Thanks for the comments!
 
Amo,

Do you have any results at all? Like a scar brand? I know if you apply too long it wont grow back white, but will be a scar. Ive heard of people purposely doing that for those results.
 
This article was written by a friend of mine, it's a no-miss deal!

How to Freeze Brand Cattle By Evan Rayl 12-8-10
In every state west of Iowa, branding is an annual ritual that takes place on virtually every ranch in the spring just before the bulls are put out to pasture. In Iowa, only 4000 brands are registered and worse yet, most are not used, resulting in a haven for cattle thieves. Recently, a farmer was arrested in Southern Iowa, who has admitted to many thefts in the area spread over the past ten years. If you protect your cattle by freeze branding, you greatly reduce the chances of being a victim. Thieves will look for an easier mark.
Since July 1, 1995, freeze brands have been a legal brand in Iowa. Not only are these brands proof of ownership in a court of law, but livestock auctions and other cattle buyers will check ownership carefully if freeze branded cattle are presented to them for sale. Also, if you have cattle get out everyone in the neighborhood will know where they belong. My neighbors would all know who to call if they see a cow with a freeze brand out. In addition, if you also put number brands on, each animal is easily identified for production testing purposes. I only replace lost ear tags when cattle go thru the chute for routine veterinary work.
The big advantage of freeze branding is the brand is readable year round on black or red cattle. Good brands are easily seen from quite a distance and readable from over 50 feet. Cattlemen with white cattle have no choice but to hot brand, since freeze branding kills the pigment in the hair, turning it white. Some have suggested that holding the freeze brand on for a longer time will kill the hair and look like a hot brand, without the disadvantages of hot branding. I dislike hot brands, while faster to apply, a lot because I can't stand the smell and hate the pain to the cattle, not to mention the hide is discounted after slaughter.
The only disadvantage to freeze branding is the amount of time it takes. Try as we may, it takes at least ten minutes for two of us to place my brand and three numbers on each animal. But at the same time, to hurry too much is a mistake, since the brands are likely to turn out bad. Do not try to apply two irons at once. Too many bad brands will be the result. On the other hand, we placed over 400 brands and numbers last year and they all are very readable, but we follow the procedure as described here as closely as possible. Forty head in a day is the most we've ever done.
If you have a registered brand, all you need is freeze branding equipment and materials. If you do not, the place to start is by getting your own registered brand. If you live in Iowa, contact the State Livestock Brand Recorder at 515-281-8617 to request a registration pack be sent to you. Work with the Recorder to select your own unique brand for approval. The fee for first time registration is $25 and renewals are $25. Each is good for five years.
Once you have registered a brand, the next step is to get an iron with your brand and also a set of number brands if you wish to individually identify your cattle. Excellent brands for freeze branding are manufactured by L & H Mfg., Mandam, ND. They are made of copper alloy and come in various sizes. I like 4 inch by 9/16th inch thick best. A set of numbers and a brand will cost around $200-250 depending on the size selected. My personal brand was made at a local machine ship from cold rolled steel and it works just as well as the copper alloy brands. We brand both bulls and heifers sat about a year of age. Remember that the brand will grow until the animal is mature. The younger the age at which you brand, the larger the brand will be in older animals.
Equipment Needed:
1. A good head gate and squeeze chute is a must to hold the animal as still as possible while the brand is being applied. If possible move the bottom of the squeeze in to keep cattle from going down. A breast plate in the chute helps keep the animal standing too.
2. A brand and/or set of number brands as needed. A 6 and 9 are the same brand reversed.
3. Animal hair clippers with sheep head blades.
4. Animal hair clippers with the thin surgical blade (EA1-sur) made by the Stewart/Oyster Co. Used with the regular top blade (83AU), it will chip real close. It is good to have two or even more sets of each type of blades on hand or more if doing a larger group. Blades will quit cutting in the blink of an eye and there seems to be a huge variation in how long they will last.
5. Container or two large enough to set all the brands on the bottom at one time for cooling. We have a plywood lid on the container with rectangular openings to slip the brands down into the ice and alcohol with each opening identified with the same number as the brand.
6. Mister bottles. The best bottles are the ones costing about $2, normally used for misting flowers and sold by garden supply shores. Again, its best to have at least two or more on hand, because they wear out fairly rapidly. Walmart carries the misters.
7. A large clock with a second hand to be used for timing of brand application.
Necessary Supplies:
• Dry Ice - get at least a pound per head, two pounds would be better if it is going to be a hot, windy day-I like it in one or two inch slices, then place it in a plastic water softener sack and beat it up with a hammer. Leave in chunks larger than ice cubes.
• 99% Alcohol - do not even try to use 70% (the other 30% is water-it will turn to syrup)-get at least a gallon per 10 head, more is better. Store the excess for next year. I try to keep at least a years supply or more in stock all the time.
• Extra sharpened clipper blades.
• Diesel Fuel or WD40 to lubricate the clippers.
• Screwdriver to change blades.
• Funnel - to put alcohol back in bottles. Strain thru a cloth.
• Heavy plastic bags and a hammer for breaking up the ice.
• Rice root brush and old towels for cleaning the brand location.
Freeze Branding Procedure:
1. Break up enough dry ice to cover the bottom of the container(s) with at least two inches of ice. Pour enough alcohol over the ice to cover the ice and the brands placed down in the ice. Add more ice and alcohol as needed during the day. As soon as one is done using a brand place it back in the ice and do not use it again until bubbling stops.
2. Restrain the animal in the chute by the neck and tighten the squeeze chute on the body as much as is possible.
3. Clip the hair in the area to be branded. In the winter or spring use a sheep head clipper first, then clean the area with a brush, then alcohol and a towel, followed by the other clipper with the surgical blade to get the hair as short as possible. Again clean the area with the brush, followed by alcohol and a towel to get the area absolutely clean.
4. Just before placing each and every brand, saturate the individual brand site with alcohol from the mister to provide liquid contact between the iron and the hide. This step is critical to obtaining a good brand because alcohol will evaporate quickly.
5. Apply the brand to the hide for 75 seconds, all the time spraying more alcohol on the brand with the mister every 10 seconds or so. This technique has done more to improve our brands than an other single thing we have changed in the thirty-five years we have been freeze branding. Watch the clock hanging beyond the chute to determine the elapsed time. Some have suggest that it is not necessary to hold the brand on for 75 seconds, but doing so will eliminate the possibility of any bad brands if other procedures are followed properly. Holding the brand on this long will cause some burning, but never fear, the hide will grow back, and your brands will be white hair. Others have tried holding the brand on less than 75 seconds, but they will all admit after trying less than 75 seconds, that 75 seconds works best.
Notes and Observations:
Animals will react somewhat less to the super cooled iron as opposed to a hot one, but they will still try to jump, usually about ten to fifteen seconds into branding. If the brand is knocked off its location during branding, just reapply and add an extra 5 seconds plus the time lost.
One will have a good idea if the brand is done properly if the hide area is frozen stiff. One can determine this by taping with your fingernail. It should feel like taping on a ice cube. It will take three to four weeks for the brand to show up nicely.
Alcohol will migrate thru a styrofoam cooler, but not a plastic one, so I have gone to a 96-can Rubbermaid cooler. It will hold all the number brands, but not your herd brand. I have a smaller plastic cooler for the herd brand. You can't believe how much alcohol will migrate into the styrofoam, the plastic cooler will pay for its self the first year you use it.
Make some arrangement where you put the irons back in the cooler each time in the same place, while you are using them for the sake of efficiency. I have a piece of half inch plywood with rectangular holes in it for each brand.
Safety is very important, never let an iron, alcohol, or ice touch your skin (it is 110 degrees below zero). Always wear good gloves while branding. Also do not smoke because the alcohol is very flammable. Do not use a cattle prod in the work area.
I do not recommend using gasoline with the dry ice for a coolant, as it is even more flammable than alcohol. I also do not recommend antifreeze because it will be too syrupy to work well. Plus, I also do not recommend using liquid nitrogen as a coolant because it is 373 degrees below zero and will kill the hair under the brand and leave a gray line around the edge of the brand, which makes it a lot harder to read. Some have indicated that one can get a good brand if the brand is held on for lessor time, but some brands do not turn out very good. It is even more dangerous to work with liquid nitrogen, because of the extreme cold.
The author of these instructions recommends you register a brand, get the necessary equipment, and start freeze branding. Not only will it deter thieves, but you will appreciate the convenience of permanent, easy to read identification.
Incidentally, both hot and cold brands are now an accepted replacements for tattoos on Registered Angus Cattle.
The most important thing to get very readable brands, is simply to take the time to do it right. It is the reason for most all failures. If one will brand all their heifers each year, in a few years the whole herd will be branded.
P. S. I am always looking for ways to improve our freeze branding methods. The newest one is to use a level to put a level mark across the side of the bovine at the top of where we want to place the brand. A Sharpie felt pen works good to mark the line. We then place the individual brands as straight up and down as we can just below this line. Our brands look a lot neater this way. Anytime I come up with an improvement and I am satisfied it really works, it is posted to this article. I change or add to this article three or four times each year and the last time I modify it is always posted here,12-8-10.
References and Contact Information
This article has appeared in several publications. Evan Rayl, along with his wife Shirley, operate Rayl Angus Farms, Inc. at Bridgewater Iowa. He has been Angus breeder for 63 years and has served as President of the Iowa Angus Association for two terms. Best known bulls used in the herd the last 20 years include: Weightlifter, Vanguard, UPS Delivery, Xplorer, Prime Rib, Balanced Attack, Black Canyon, and Wide World. Mr. Rayl has also been the Editor of Livestock Plus for 17 years. Evan was taught to freeze brand by Dr. Robert deBaca, who wrote the original "bible" of how to freeze brand back in 1974. You can contact Evan by phone at 641-369-4092 (home), 641-745-5918 (cell), or by e-mail at [email protected].
 
Anguscattle":33ksov7f said:
Amo,

Do you have any results at all? Like a scar brand? I know if you apply too long it wont grow back white, but will be a scar. Ive heard of people purposely doing that for those results.

I read that in Livestock Plus I think. Good article! :tiphat:

Ya I was told if you hold too long it won't turn white. No scars (like a hot brand). When I was done some of the hair was froze stiff after I pulled off the irons. Seen that towards the end. Im guessing thats the ones that had enough alcohol on them that they kinda showed. One cow was 790. The 90 is ok, but no 7. Others top or bottom of a number will show. Most of them you have to really look to see it. IDK what I did wrong. Wish I had seen it done before I tried it. Talked to one guy for 40 minutes one night. You see his and its like chalk on a black board! He said some years are better than others. He likes Feb to do it in. Which I guess it would be colder weather. I told him how I did it and he said thats how they do it. He is also the one that mentioned to "soak" the hide with a brush. So Im guessing evaporation was my problem.

Seen one group of cows go through the sale barn that had the liquid nitorgen/template method. I wasn't impressed at all. Could see some of them, but kinda fuzzy.
 
Amo,

I think ill try it again as well using the hints you mentioned.
Ive got my fingers crossed!
 
Does anyone here reuse the liquid? We've branded 2 groups using dry ice and Acetone. I've just always poured the fluid out when we were done. It would save some money to strain it and put it back in the jugs for next time.
 
Of all the ones I did last year the only real successes were the calves. They all came out real good. The cows were a waste of time.
 
I did mine yesterday. Replacement heifers. I did as the Evan Royal article said and sprayed alcohol on the iron as I branded. My brother asked me last night if I left the used irons in the alcohol longer since I was spraying the room temp. alcohol on the irons. Of course I didn't, but its something to wonder about.

Also just out of couriousity, how long do you guys leave your irons in to cool after each use? I was told 3 minutes.
 
Amo":3r7h9t3k said:
I did mine yesterday. Replacement heifers. I did as the Evan Royal article said and sprayed alcohol on the iron as I branded. My brother asked me last night if I left the used irons in the alcohol longer since I was spraying the room temp. alcohol on the irons. Of course I didn't, but its something to wonder about.

Also just out of couriousity, how long do you guys leave your irons in to cool after each use? I was told 3 minutes.


I was told until it stops bubbling, then a minute more. Thats what we do
 

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