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New York (CNN) -- [Breaking news update, published at 2:39 p.m. ET]

A grand jury decided against an indictment Wednesday in the death of Eric Garner, an unarmed black man, who died after white police officer Daniel Pantaleo put him in a chokehold, according to two law enforcement officials.

During his fatal police encounter, Garner raised both hands in the air and told the officers not to touch him. Seconds later, a video shows an officer behind him grab him in a chokehold and pull him to the sidewalk, rolling him onto his stomach.

"I can't breathe! I can't breathe!" Garner said repeatedly, his cries muffled into the pavement.

The cause of Garner's death was "compression of neck (chokehold), compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police," the medical examiner's office has said. The death was ruled a homicide.

[Original story, published at 12:03 p.m. ET]

Echoes of Ferguson: Will New York cop face charges in chokehold death?

A black man dies after a confrontation with a white policeman. Crowds take to the streets incensed, decrying police brutality. And a grand jury is called to hear the case.

The place is not Ferguson, and the case is not Michael Brown's. It's Staten Island, New York. And on Wednesday, a grand jury is expected to decide whether to indict white Officer Daniel Pantaleo, two officials said, who put African-American Eric Garner in a chokehold.

People participate in a demonstration against the death of Eric Garner after he was taken into police custody in Staten Island. Joel Graham photographed the demonstration, and captured this image of Garner's friends and family rallying alongside the Rev. Al Sharpton. Crowds of people rally in Upper Manhattan on Saturday. While photographing the demonstration, Graham says, he saw a New York Police Department presence at the event. "The NYPD appeared genuinely sympathetic to the marchers, giving everyone wide latitude to voice their frustrations," he said. Garner's mother, Gwen Carr, speaks at the demonstration. Garner's family, friends and people from the Staten Island community gathered to demand a full investigation into the incident. Choke hold victim's family and friends protestChoke hold victim's family and friends protestChoke hold victim's family and friends protestChoke hold victim's family and friends protestChoke hold victim's family and friends protestHIDE CAPTION<<< 1 2 3 4 5 >>>
Chokehold victim's family, friends protest The New York City Police Department prohibits the move.

"I can't breathe! I can't breathe," Garner cried out after he went down on July 17. Seconds later, the 350-pound man, who suffered from asthma, lay motionless and unresponsive on the sidewalk. An ambulance carried him away on a stretcher.



Demonstrating a banned chokehold He was pronounced dead that day at age 43.

Police had suspected him of illegal vending. He had been arrested on the same suspicion two months prior and had a lengthy criminal record, including 30 arrests.

Brown and Garner

Parallels mark the deaths of both black men, starting with crimes they were suspected of -- Brown allegedly stole cigars from a convenience store; Garner was allegedly selling cigarettes tax-free.

Another similarity that has become the hallmark of protests in Ferguson: Garner put his hands up in the air, as the crook of Pantaleo's elbow tightened around his throat.

Some eyewitnesses have said that Brown too made that gesture in surrender. But other witnesses contradicted them.

No video was rolling, so doubts over that and other details will always hang over the moment that former Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson shot the unarmed teen.

That has led President Obama to call for law officers all over the country to record their operations with body cameras.

In Garner's case, there can be little doubt what happened.

Before he gasped what appeared to be his final breaths, someone hit record on a cell phone camera. The details of his takedown spread through the Internet as the video went viral.

Wilson and Pantaleo

Wilson argued before the Missouri grand jury that he shot Brown -- who he alleged tried to wrest away his gun then charged at him -- in self-defense.

In the Staten Island cell phone video, Garner did not go after Pantaleo but had his back to him; the officer jumped him from behind then tackled him to the ground.

The New York City medical examiner has ruled Garner's death a homicide. The cause of death was "compression of neck (choke hold), compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police."

But the medical examiner also listed acute and chronic bronchial asthma, obesity and hypertensive cardiovascular disease as contributing factors in Garner's death.

In Ferguson, Wilson went into hiding over death threats and kept his status of police officer but was placed on leave. He resigned shortly after the grand jury decision.

After the chokehold, Pantaleo was put on modified assignment and stripped of his badge and gun amid the investigation, and the NYPD's commissioner ordered an extensive review of training procedures.

An attorney for Pantaleo said his client testified for approximately two hours on November 21 in front of the grand jury.

"He was anxious and anxiety-filled prior to that," said Stuart London. "He is cautiously optimistic and knows that his fate is in their hands now."

Two lawsuits have previously been filed against Pantaleo. The plaintiffs in both suits allege false arrest, unlawful imprisonment, civil rights violations and other charges.

One suit from 2013 was dismissed in January 2014, while the second, from February 2014, remains open.

Ferguson and New York

In both Ferguson and New York City, mostly African-American protesters took to the streets for weeks after both men died to decry police violence.

Demonstrators in New York have called the police response during Garner's arrest excessive and criminal, but during protests, the contact between police and demonstrators has been largely cordial.

"The NYPD appeared genuinely sympathetic to the marchers, giving everyone wide latitude to voice their frustrations," said photographer Joel Graham, who took pictures of a demonstration Upper Manhattan.

He found the demonstrators to be equally peaceful.

"This crowd was composed of good, well-meaning people who understood that peace was the only option and were adamant that things remain calm over Eric's death," he said.

Missing were the tear gas canisters, assault rifles, armored vehicles and the lootings and flying bottles that marred the St. Louis suburb in the wake of Brown's death.

When the Missouri grand jury declined to charge Wilson, violence returned to Ferguson, as cars were set on fire.

On Staten Island, although it's not certain, the announcement of the grand jury decision is expected before the end of the week.

On Monday, officials there met with New York City Police Commissioner William Bratton to discuss the impending decision and the borough's preparedness for reaction to it.
 
The taxman killed Eric Garner! A legal pack of 20 cigs is about $15 in NYC. As you might expect, entrepreneurs such as Eric Garner walk the streets offering "LOOSIES" at $0.75 TO $1 PER each. The cops were just enforcing those laws, and because Eric Garner was defying the tobacco tax, he had to die. RIP
 
On the face of it this looks a little stinky. Not that they took him down but that when he was obviously in distress nobody called for any help.

That part bothers me. I don't know the facts about the rest of it but I bet we ain't seen the last of it.
 
Personally coming for LE background I think that hold was a little extreme. He had a choke hold what you would use on UFC. We were taught to utilize pressure points and the only time we choked someone was to save their live from swallowing drugs. I guess different departments use different protocol but I feel as it was a little extreme and am in no way defending the fact that he was resisting. I just think better judgement could have been used.
 
Hook":1nuvlgr6 said:
The dude was huge! But he asked for help but didn't get it. That part is messed up. I'm flying to New York to go get me some diamonds in the ensuing riots

Forget diamonds I want enough work boots to last till im 90 lol
 
Ryder":1zkla4me said:
Way too extreme.
If you use these tactics you should be able to recognize when someone is in serious trouble and ease up. The cop was over zealous.

Personally when fighting with someone you can feel them give up and body relax... If you get into a rage that you do not feel that nor look for that ... Major problem you should be an UFC fighter not an officer. If not mistaken I thought I read somewhere that the use of that type of choke hold was not part of their departmental protocol.
 
Hook":2o700510 said:
skyhightree1":2o700510 said:
Hook":2o700510 said:
The dude was huge! But he asked for help but didn't get it. That part is messed up. I'm flying to New York to go get me some diamonds in the ensuing riots

Forget diamonds I want enough work boots to last till im 90 lol
There's plenty of them in Ferguson

:lol2:
 
Back in my young and wild Jerry Springer days
A guy jumped me the night before and he came by the next morning wanting a rematch
He took me to the ground while I was still in my PJ's and barefooted
As Sky said you can feel a guy give up and go out.
I got his back and choked him out then beat his ass while he was out
Luckily he didn't die.
Point is when you feel threatened and even after you have the situation in control you don't feel completely safe just because the guy is temporarily subdued
At what point is the threat no longer a threat ?
 
Sunfish":2j7ab4wu said:
Back in my young and wild Jerry Springer days
A guy jumped me the night before and he came by the next morning wanting a rematch
He took me to the ground while I was still in my PJ's and barefooted
As Sky said you can feel a guy give up and go out.
I got his back and choked him out then beat his ass while he was out
Luckily he didn't die.
Point is when you feel threatened and even after you have the situation in control you don't feel completely safe just because the guy is temporarily subdued
At what point is the threat no longer a threat ?
When the guy is out cold and there's 4 cops standing around?
 
Hook":3v9f89iw said:
Sunfish":3v9f89iw said:
Back in my young and wild Jerry Springer days
A guy jumped me the night before and he came by the next morning wanting a rematch
He took me to the ground while I was still in my PJ's and barefooted
As Sky said you can feel a guy give up and go out.
I got his back and choked him out then beat his ass while he was out
Luckily he didn't die.
Point is when you feel threatened and even after you have the situation in control you don't feel completely safe just because the guy is temporarily subdued
At what point is the threat no longer a threat ?
When the guy is out cold and there's 4 cops standing around?

Oh I thought it was one on one
 
skyhightree1":1014plqd said:
Hook":1014plqd said:
The dude was huge! But he asked for help but didn't get it. That part is messed up. I'm flying to New York to go get me some diamonds in the ensuing riots

Forget diamonds I want enough work boots to last till im 90 lol

I have $6 I'll send. :D

That should get you 3 pair of those muck boots you were posting about. I figure you're off oct-jan, and you probably have front row parking to the office. Truck to office, office to truck for lunch, truck to office, and then office to truck to go home feb-sept.... I think that'll do it.
 
I wonder if these so called young black men would get by better if they obeyed the law, I mean I'm just throwing that out there. Maybe if they stopped committing crimes they would have better relations with the police, I don't know, guess I'm just feeling silly tonight and thought I'd post something foolish.

Larry
 
In this case the grand jury might have got it wrong. I have watched the video, and the big dude didn't cooperate but he wasn't the least bit aggressive either. I have heard they were there to bust him for selling single cigs, but there is talk of him breaking up a fight on the video. So I don't know which brought the police to him. But once they had him down with several cops on him, and he was gasping "I can't breathe", the cop didn't appear to release his hold at all. Then he was out cold, laying there dying, and they just stood there for a long, long time. It was hard to watch.

I have some sympathy for the cops, he was big as a hoss, and I would hate to be the one who had to put cuffs on him. And who would think such a big strong looking guy would be so "delicate" due to his asthma. But even a mistake, not intending to kill him, he ended up dead over a very minor offense and that should have some consequences.

I switched over to CNN to watch the new Mike Rowe show, but it isn't on, they are covering protests in New York. And it's a real protest, civil disobedience laying in the street, not a fire or a looting in sight.
 

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