I recently purchased 90acres of land located in central texas from family that is being over run with mesquite and weeds. This used to be great pasture land with coastal and a few other grasses mixed in but after years of neglect it's being over run with mesquite and tons of different weeds. I know sendero says it will kill mesquite and other weeds without harming the grasses. Has anyone used it on coastal that can say if this is accurate or not. I will be broadcast spraying it. Or maybe someone has a recommendation for something else that works great.
Dow sendero on coastal bermuda?
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greybeard
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I've used some sendero kinda off label on Tallow and cedar and it didn't harm the common bermuda or bahia, but it was spot sprayed, not swath broadcast with my boomless sprayer. There was no coastal in the specific area I was treating. Sendero is pretty expensive around here and hard to find...I had to go up to Bryan to get a jug to try..no mesquite here.
Remedy is what was used around San Angelo when I lived there and is my go to for just about everything here.
Callmefence has a lot of experience with mesquite..maybe he'll pop in and have a few bits of insight.
Remedy is what was used around San Angelo when I lived there and is my go to for just about everything here.
Callmefence has a lot of experience with mesquite..maybe he'll pop in and have a few bits of insight.
callmefence
Keyboard cowboy
You'll be fine. Sendero will burn the grass on heavy application but it's bounces back quickly. Also mesquite is a lequme. Grass grows well under it . Sendero is effective on young trees ( smooth bark) Basel spray remedy on older trees. Also wait until trees have pretty good size beans before spraying sendero.
Birddog knows twice what I know. He'll be along
Birddog knows twice what I know. He'll be along
Fence is spot on. It will work fine but way to expensive to broadcast. Besides that, you need to treat the weeds early in the year and then spot spray the Mesquite foliage in summer with the leaves turn darkish green.
Treat the weeds with a good product like Grazon Next around mid march. This will burn the leaves off the mesquites so wait on them until they come back strong, probably in May. If the trees are taller than about 8' do as Fence says and basel spray them with remedy and diesel. You can basel spray anytime if you want to get started but since they have no leaves yet, you won't see results until later when the ones you miss leaf out.
Sendero is a good product but I think the old way of treating using Remedy and Reclaim worked better. I believe Dow exaggerated the results to get folks to use the product that doesn't require a license. Also Reclaim and Remedy were going off patent. I commented something like that to the Dow rep and he said to add a little Remedy to the Sendero mix. This is what I started late last year. My mix is about 70% Sendero 25% Remedy 5% Surfactant.
Where are you located at in central Texas Ikana?
Treat the weeds with a good product like Grazon Next around mid march. This will burn the leaves off the mesquites so wait on them until they come back strong, probably in May. If the trees are taller than about 8' do as Fence says and basel spray them with remedy and diesel. You can basel spray anytime if you want to get started but since they have no leaves yet, you won't see results until later when the ones you miss leaf out.
Sendero is a good product but I think the old way of treating using Remedy and Reclaim worked better. I believe Dow exaggerated the results to get folks to use the product that doesn't require a license. Also Reclaim and Remedy were going off patent. I commented something like that to the Dow rep and he said to add a little Remedy to the Sendero mix. This is what I started late last year. My mix is about 70% Sendero 25% Remedy 5% Surfactant.
Where are you located at in central Texas Ikana?
How big are the Mesquite?
Mesquite is easy to kill. Grazon Next for weeds and small bushes under 3' or so. Remedy and diesel a foot or two up around the trunk will kill big trees.
Mesquite is easy to kill. Grazon Next for weeds and small bushes under 3' or so. Remedy and diesel a foot or two up around the trunk will kill big trees.
callmefence
Keyboard cowboy
lkana said:
With the mesquite that small . I agree with brute that broadcast with grazon would be a option.
callmefence
Keyboard cowboy
lkana said:
That's a good enough plan imo.
If you haven't bought the sendero yet remedy would work with this approach. If you don't have a applicator license and your doing yourself there's another product that works as well as grazon and has a similar residual.......I'm thinking chapperal . I,LL check
Let the bushes get a little size where they have some leaf. Nothing less than 1.5pts, 2/ac would be better this first go round. I wouldn't sweat the weeds right now. With good coverage not many mesquite bushes should come back. It won't hurt to touch up a bit by hand.
You'll have to spray annually now for years and years to come. I believe they say a mesquite seed can lay dormant for like 10 or 15 years.
You should be able to find a local co-op or feed store to contract spray. It's worth while to get your applicators license of you have the time. You'll will have access to better chemical and get better results doing it yourself.
You'll have to spray annually now for years and years to come. I believe they say a mesquite seed can lay dormant for like 10 or 15 years.
You should be able to find a local co-op or feed store to contract spray. It's worth while to get your applicators license of you have the time. You'll will have access to better chemical and get better results doing it yourself.
Is the grazonnext HL what yall recommend going with? Seems I dont need a license or permit to apply it if I'm reading the right stuff. Also maybe yall can help answer another question I have. So growing up here we never did anything to the pastures other than have the coop fertalize once a year and then shred when needed. I've talked to a few people around here about discing, using and aerator etc. I've gotten everything from you would be wasting your time and possibly kill off the coastal to you should disc once every few years to you should disc and aerate every year. What's y'alls opinion on this. It's mostly black land with some clay.
greybeard
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Unless something has changed, you will need an applicator's license to legally purchase and apply any Grazon herbicide.
This member lives closest to you.. about 30 miles I think. Maybe he'll pop in and answer some of the area specific questions you have. I used to live on Hiway 21 between Deanville and Dime Box, but that's been over 30 years ago.
https://cattletoday.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=7795
This member lives closest to you.. about 30 miles I think. Maybe he'll pop in and answer some of the area specific questions you have. I used to live on Hiway 21 between Deanville and Dime Box, but that's been over 30 years ago.
https://cattletoday.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=7795
1982vett
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http://www.texasagriculture.gov/RegulatoryPrograms/Pesticides/RegulatedHerbicides.aspx
Generally not economical buying in small quantities acreages of any size.
Some more info on application/kill rates of different mixes. https://agrilifecdn.tamu.edu/stephenville/files/2011/02/Mesquite-IPT-Alligare_Final.pdf Yes killing mesquites might seem a simple task depending how you define killing. If your killing the tops but not the roots your not making much headway.
Generally not economical buying in small quantities acreages of any size.
Some more info on application/kill rates of different mixes. https://agrilifecdn.tamu.edu/stephenville/files/2011/02/Mesquite-IPT-Alligare_Final.pdf Yes killing mesquites might seem a simple task depending how you define killing. If your killing the tops but not the roots your not making much headway.
Vett brought up a good point about defining dead. No matter what you spray dont shred disk or any thing for several years no matter how ugly it may look. It may take 2-3 years. The bushes need to just break off at the ground before they are dead. You can get good kills of 80% or better in one year. The second you can kill 80 of the remaining 20, and by the third year you have just about knocked it out. After that you can think about shredding or burning and then just get on an annual spray plan to catch new growth.
Things have changed a lot over the years. My dad and I talk about that too. We never sprayed when I was a kid. Now we have to. The weather patterns were different also. Areas around he they call the coastal prairie are being taken over by huisatche from land owners who refuse to address them.
You won't kill coastal disking it just before spring. In some cases it can be helpful. Disking, aerways, pasture renovators, subsoilers, etc are all options with coastal. We rotate around and try to hit the Bermuda fields every 3-5 years.
Things have changed a lot over the years. My dad and I talk about that too. We never sprayed when I was a kid. Now we have to. The weather patterns were different also. Areas around he they call the coastal prairie are being taken over by huisatche from land owners who refuse to address them.
You won't kill coastal disking it just before spring. In some cases it can be helpful. Disking, aerways, pasture renovators, subsoilers, etc are all options with coastal. We rotate around and try to hit the Bermuda fields every 3-5 years.
greybeard
Well-known member
Thanks for posting that. I was not aware Grazon HL was NOT a federally restricted herbicide, but I haven't looked at any Grazon except the original Grazon and Grazon Next P+D.1982vett said:
greybeard said:
According to everything I've found it is not. But I cant find it anywhere in more than 2gallon jugs. So I'm assuming in order to get larger quantities you have to be licensed. Now to figure out at what PTO rpm and speed I need to get the proper rate. I'm using an ag-mier 3point 250gallon sprayer. It's about 10years old and of course I dont have any manuals on it. I'm assuming I can look up the numbers stamped on the nozzles and that should give me some info. Hate to under spray $1,500 worth of product and it not do anything or overspray and kill everything.
callmefence
Keyboard cowboy
I thought it was controlled also.
For grins I just ordered a jug off Amazon. Seems to have went through.
I do prefer p+d because it works on small cedars and prickly pear.
For grins I just ordered a jug off Amazon. Seems to have went through.
I do prefer p+d because it works on small cedars and prickly pear.
