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Long term I'd speculate there is not. To me, they kinda have the appearance of a boom/bust industry. It wouldn't surprise me if several of these get built, resources become extremely scarce and expensive, they all go broke, bankrupt, and are abandoned. Some will survive, but it appears to me there might be a whole lot of unrealistic expectations out there.
 
Hpacres440p said:
Speaking of the wind farms, the father of a lady I work with has one windmill on his land east of here. He has received a nice rent check from the wind company for a windmill that never turned, so never produced generation dividends. That wind farm is now blowing up several windmills and stopping the lease payments within the next 2 years.
So now older people who found a windfall from the lease checks will now lose them. I don’t know if they got to keep ag exemption during the lease terms, but if not, taxes will be outrageous while they try to reestablish Ag use. The exploded windmills are having to be cleaned up by hand with parts spread across whatever trajectory they took. I imagine the solar decommissioning will be similar and messier.
Where does all the money come from? Stockholders? Definitely not profits when they don’t produce.
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My guess would be that the Ag exemption can be reinstated after the lease is up or terminated with a little bit of inconvenience. "Clean up' from the failed industry will be more difficult. No, not the stock holders. The lease holder very well could end up filing for bankruptcy. That will result in the landowner holding the bag in terms of any clean up.
 
Mark Reynolds said:
Long term I'd speculate there is not. To me, they kinda have the appearance of a boom/bust industry. It wouldn't surprise me if several of these get built, resources become extremely scarce and expensive, they all go broke, bankrupt, and are abandoned. Some will survive, but it appears to me there might be a whole lot of unrealistic expectations out there.
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I don't know, technology isn't going anywhere, self driving cars, trucks,tractors etc... to many to list on the things tech is coming out with. Oh and robots, Elon is saying he will have robots that can do simple house chores out for sale within 2 years a cool $30,000ea.
 
Mark Reynolds said:
Long term I'd speculate there is not. To me, they kinda have the appearance of a boom/bust industry. It wouldn't surprise me if several of these get built, resources become extremely scarce and expensive, they all go broke, bankrupt, and are abandoned. Some will survive, but it appears to me there might be a whole lot of unrealistic expectations out there.
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I can think of a couple of times. The Dot Com boom for one. That cost a lot of people a lot of money when it went bust. Also in the 70's nuclear power was going to run the world. They threw money at building those plants like it was going out of style. There was 2 of those plants 30 miles from my old house. Cost a ton of money and they never operated. Two giant concrete cooling towers which are now just a monument to stupidity.
 
Mrcopier said:
I don't know, technology isn't going anywhere, self driving cars, trucks,tractors etc... to many to list on the things tech is coming out with. Oh and robots, Elon is saying he will have robots that can do simple house chores out for sale within 2 years a cool $30,000ea.
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Elon said Tesla would have full self-driving in 2016. The guy's ability to BS investors is next level
 
Dave said:
I can think of a couple of times. The Dot Com boom for one. That cost a lot of people a lot of money when it went bust. Also in the 70's nuclear power was going to run the world. They threw money at building those plants like it was going out of style. There was 2 of those plants 30 miles from my old house. Cost a ton of money and they never operated. Two giant concrete cooling towers which are now just a monument to stupidity.
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My 2 friends made a ton of money on those projects as pipe fitters.
 
Mark Reynolds said:
"Expert" Snake Oil salesman?
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I have no doubt he is extremely intelligent....within a given set of parameters. Beyond those parameters, I wonder if its a deep, dark void.

His problem as I see it, he doesn't recognize the parameter where his intelligence ends and the void begins.
 
Mark Reynolds said:
Long term I'd speculate there is not. To me, they kinda have the appearance of a boom/bust industry. It wouldn't surprise me if several of these get built, resources become extremely scarce and expensive, they all go broke, bankrupt, and are abandoned. Some will survive, but it appears to me there might be a whole lot of unrealistic expectations out there.
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There's something else that's been interesting and I expect it to have a long and bright future. Deep Fission is putting small nuclear reactors in deep bedrock, generating power for the life of the reactor, and then covering the reactor in concrete without needing to dismantle the structure. It just went public. Give it a couple of years and I expect it to be the major supplier of energy for data centers and if the data centers go bankrupt they will be turned to replacing windmills and solar farms.
 
Travlr said:
It seems the powers that be are avoiding the discussions involving having a standard national wage. There's gonna be some **it hit the fan when people have no use as labor, and it will get worse when we aren't valued for our brains.
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I'm not worried. Our ability to think abstractly is what keeps us living, productive, and advancing. No matter what they design, I seriously doubt a machine will ever be designed that can think truly in the abstract and create an original thought.
 
Mark Reynolds said:
I'm not worried. Our ability to think abstractly is what keeps us living, productive, and advancing. No matter what they design, I seriously doubt a machine will ever be designed that can think truly in the abstract and create an original thought.
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But tell me... how many of "us" generate original thoughts? And if we don't have any use, where is the incentive for the people with the power and resources to care what happens to "us"?

We are overgrazing the planet already.
 
Travlr said:
There's something else that's been interesting and I expect it to have a long and bright future. Deep Fission is putting small nuclear reactors in deep bedrock, generating power for the life of the reactor, and then covering the reactor in concrete without needing to dismantle the structure. It just went public. Give it a couple of years and I expect it to be the major supplier of energy for data centers and if the data centers go bankrupt they will be turned to replacing windmills and solar farms.
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Interesting, and logical. There is something else to Data centers, aside from the enormous energy sink that they are and strain on local resources. Has anyone taken note of the inevitable shortage of precious metals and rare earth elements that are going to be required for these things? Until we can mine the solar system, we have no way to get past that.
 
Travlr said:
All good questions. My questions as well.

And I have suspicions. I've been working with AI on a series of films. And if you don't take the AI easy answers and delve down into the missing context, it can be pretty scary. I have a feeling that AI will be directed to convince the majority of things that the AI overlords feel is to their benefit. AI is amazingly adroit at forming a consensus and creating propaganda... and directing human thought. Popular ideas can be sown and cultivated far more easily than most of us would like to believe...
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^^^^^ This is THE biggest threat IMO
 
I like the idea of launching them. Solves for water (all the cooling you need in space) and solves for energy (24x7 solar). Nearly all telecommunications are bouncing from Earth to space anyway, why not just do the processing up there? Don't have to see them, feed them, hear them, etc. Literally, get them off the face of the earth.
 

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