Data centers

[Travlr]

Hope that’s the case.

Kevon O'Leary (Shark Tank fame) has been heavily promoting a data center north of Salt Lake, using water that would normally go to the Great Salt Lake. And right on the edge of all that salt, in the salt marsh. He must have some financial incentive because he's very vocal and insistent that it's a great thing for everyone.
But I've never heard him explain what they are good for or what they do for the public. There is a lot of people standing in the way and it looks like O'Leary is gonna need to find a new place to build.

 

[sstterry]

Jobs?

What Jobs? They turn them on and they suck up power and water, and the noise is awful. Doesn't pay much to flip a switch.

It is not within a distance to bother me, but our small community is fighting a "Crypto-Mine." Essentially the same as a data center. The "big-boys" have jumped in and one side is represented by the Beacon Center and the other is represented by the Southern Environmental Law Center. I believe the fight here will decide how these are approached in the rest of the state.

 

[Dave]

The water requirement is pretty much putting a stop to most of them in the west. The only ones I know of that appear to be going forward are down along the Columbia River.

 

[CowboyRam]

Speaking of the wind farms, the father of a lady I work with has one windmill on his land east of here. He has received a nice rent check from the wind company for a windmill that never turned, so never produced generation dividends. That wind farm is now blowing up several windmills and stopping the lease payments within the next 2 years.
So now older people who found a windfall from the lease checks will now lose them. I don’t know if they got to keep ag exemption during the lease terms, but if not, taxes will be outrageous while they try to reestablish Ag use. The exploded windmills are having to be cleaned up by hand with parts spread across whatever trajectory they took. I imagine the solar decommissioning will be similar and messier.
Where does all the money come from? Stockholders? Definitely not profits when they don’t produce.

North of Casper there is a wind farm that have never generated any energy. I heard once that the reason was that the energy company that owned the transmission lines never allowed them to be hooked up to the grid.

 

[Travlr]

North of Casper there are several wind farm that have never generated any energy. I heard once that the reason was that the energy company that owned the transmission lines never allowed them to be hooked up to the grid.

That wind farm on I80 between Evanston and Rock Springs has evolved. It was very concentrated just south of the highway and now most of the units are gone, but there are units on other hills that have appeared. It looks like it must be functioning enough to be valuable if they keep putting up more units.
There is a big, concentrated wind farm between the UT/NV state line and Ely on highway 50. Rows of them in straight lines, and several rows. From google: Located on public land in Spring Valley about 30 miles east of Ely, it has been operational since 2012. It relies on 2.3-megawatt Siemens Gamesa turbines spanning across 7,700 acres.
It looks to be successful as it's always got most units working if there is any wind.

 

[Nick Wagner]

I think that a lot of the ones proposed will never be built. Most of the ones in this area seem to be for speculation and not the end users. The demand is all based on projected demand that is not based on hard figures. Look at the high flying tech stocks, sold on ''maybe we can'' instead of any past performance. A lot of folks will lose a lot of money.

Spot on my friend.

 

[Brute 23]

I strongly disagree. There are insane amounts of money being put in to data centers, solar, and battery banks right now... and yes, they are happening. These are not fly by night groups either, they are major, trillion dollar market cap companies. Even the people in the business are shocked at the investments be dumped in to this sector. I know guys on the contracting side of the construction who are bring overwhelmed and basically told make it happen no matter the cost. It really makes a person question what they know is coming.

 

[CowboyRam]

That wind farm on I80 between Evanston and Rock Springs has evolved. It was very concentrated just south of the highway and now most of the units are gone, but there are units on other hills that have appeared. It looks like it must be functioning enough to be valuable if they keep putting up more units.
There is a big, concentrated wind farm between the UT/NV state line and Ely on highway 50. Rows of them in straight lines, and several rows. From google: Located on public land in Spring Valley about 30 miles east of Ely, it has been operational since 2012. It relies on 2.3-megawatt Siemens Gamesa turbines spanning across 7,700 acres.
It looks to be successful as it's always got most units working if there is any wind.

All of the other wind farms here in Wyoming is operational as far as I know. Just the one outside of Casper is not. One would think that is a pretty big investment not to have running.

 

[Travlr]

All of the other wind farms here in Wyoming is operational as far as I know. Just the one outside of Casper is not. One would think that is a pretty big investment not to have running.

Somebody missed a duck when they were lining them up in a row.

 

[Dave]

I have a rancher friend over by the Columbia gorge. There is a ton of those wind mills in that part of the world. He told me he has 3 on his property and they each pay $700 a month. His dad was going to change how the property was split in his will but deed suddenly. So he has 3 mind mills and his sister has 20.
We were building a corral on a place he runs cows. He had gone to pick something up. I ended up there for a while. Standing in one spot I counted over 300 wind mills. This is not wide open flat ground. And there was a ridge to the south of me block the view that I know the other side has just as many. And across the river into Oregon there is that many too.
My wife was raised in that area. Her dad went to a wind mill meeting. When he came home he said we don't need any wind mills here. There is now a line of them that stops when it gets to their property and then starts again on the other side. They would have had 6 o 8 of them on their place. Her poor as church mouse folks got have really used the money at $700 a month for each one.

 

[Stonewall Joe]

Kevon O'Leary (Shark Tank fame) has been heavily promoting a data center north of Salt Lake, using water that would normally go to the Great Salt Lake. And right on the edge of all that salt, in the salt marsh. He must have some financial incentive because he's very vocal and insistent that it's a great thing for everyone.
But I've never heard him explain what they are good for or what they do for the public. There is a lot of people standing in the way and it looks like O'Leary is gonna need to find a new place to build.

The "using all the water" in a lot of data centers is just revoiced concerns that people think is happening in every one. In our area, therre is virtually no water usage along with many others. they're using air to air cololing like regualr refrigeration, many of the others use cooling towers that have a closed recycling loop that uses very little water and the ones using an open loop do draw in a lot of water, they clean it and use it then it is returned to the source usually in a better state than when withdrawn so it's a virtua no net loss situation. Most of the people complaining only use the intake numbers and ignore the return numbers, but the main point with the water is if it's an open loop system, the water has to be returned somewhere because it doesn't dissapear or get stored in huge holding tanks. most power plants have been doing the same thing for decades in they are located near a large body of water

 

[Travlr]

The "using all the water" in a lot of data centers is just revoiced concerns that people think is happening in every one. In our area, therre is virtually no water usage along with many others. they're using air to air cololing like regualr refrigeration, many of the others use cooling towers that have a closed recycling loop that uses very little water and the ones using an open loop do draw in a lot of water, they clean it and use it then it is returned to the source usually in a better state than when withdrawn so it's a virtua no net loss situation. Most of the people complaining only use the intake numbers and ignore the return numbers, but the main point with the water is if it's an open loop system, the water has to be returned somewhere because it doesn't dissapear or get stored in huge holding tanks. most power plants have been doing the same thing for decades in they are located near a large body of water

None of that explains why we need to hoard all information. Why everyone's personal live need to be gathered and saved for whatever purposes the overlords find a use for.

 

[chevytaHOE5674]

.. the ones using an open loop do draw in a lot of water, they clean it and use it then it is returned to the source usually in a better state than when withdrawn so it's a virtua no net loss situation.

What about discharge temperature. If you use water to cool something then the temp of that water increases, so the temp of wherever your discharging into increases.

 

[Ouachita]

None of that explains why we need to hoard all information. Why everyone's personal live need to be gathered and saved for whatever purposes the overlords find a use for.

Revelations come to fruition. Nothing you or I can change about that.

 

[TexasJerseyMilker]

Those panel farms and windmills sure ugly up the landscape.

 

[sstterry]

Kevon O'Leary (Shark Tank fame) has been heavily promoting a data center north of Salt Lake, using water that would normally go to the Great Salt Lake. And right on the edge of all that salt, in the salt marsh. He must have some financial incentive because he's very vocal and insistent that it's a great thing for everyone.
But I've never heard him explain what they are good for or what they do for the public. There is a lot of people standing in the way and it looks like O'Leary is gonna need to find a new place to build.

Fox just had to make a public apology because O'Leary was on last month, and just about everything he said was a lie. In this day and age, always follow the money.

 

[Dave]

Fox just had to make a public apology because O'Leary was on last month, and just about everything he said was a lie. In this day and age, always follow the money.

Yep. I know a guy over in that area of the Columbia Gorge who got in on the bottom floor of importing the blades for the wind mills. He was a scratch with the chickens business man. The wind mills made him millions. The whole thing is paid for with government money.

 

[504RP]

They are being fought by several communities here lately. They supposedly do not provide many jobs after finished (as @Hpacres440p stated) they are supposed to use COPIOUS amounts of water that causes problems for surrounding land owners that had wells and all that... they also are supposed to just cause some higher temps because of the mass of the buildings but that has been speculative..

What I want to know is WHY do we need all these DATA centers???? What is being stored that was not somehow already stored in other places... like libraries???? I HONESTLY do not fully understand why we need to store so much data .... FOR WHAT ??????

If I were to guess I would say it’s for the future advancement of AI. AI is fixing if not already going to something that was only thought of in science fiction movies but is now a real deal.

A lot of the younger generations probably didn’t know or watch any of the old movies on TV like star track for example and I mean the first star track episodes that were around in the early 70’s.

I am sure a lot of you older people remember on star track where Captain Kirk and Spark would talk to the starships computer asking it questions to help solve any problems they had, like today’s generation does Al.

Well now they are combining this AI with the human brain by some method that involves biological processes. I wouldn’t have a clue as how to describe how that have figured out how to do that but they have and the way I understand what I read about it. Is the real deal and people that has had this done are walking around using it.

It also says this new technology will
Change things like agriculture and just basically everything. So I figure something like this will be something like when computers were first invented and the web had to be made bigger and bigger as computers like these smart phones and websites we use to manage all of the data required to make them work.

Only this new technology where it will
be physically possible for humans to become I think they used the term Cyborg a term that I think I remember used in some of the old original Star Trek movies when they referred to aliens. Isn’t science fiction any more and is something real now.

But this is only my theory but the information that I have read is wha

 

[TexasJerseyMilker]

I read the Chinese already have a computer brain chip that is implanted into people's brains. They say it is to help paralyzed people move or deaf people hear. Yea, right
https://www.wired.com/story/china-approves-first-brain-chips-for-sale-plan-to-dominate-industry/

 

[Mrcopier]

I read the Chinese already have a computer brain chip that is implanted into people's brains. They say it is to help paralyzed people move or deaf people hear. Yea, right
https://www.wired.com/story/china-approves-first-brain-chips-for-sale-plan-to-dominate-industry/

Elon has something like that as well