Tennessee, after reading these post You have shown great insight COLOR dose effect conformation brilliant find. That was taking him apart, that really helped me so when reveiwing my bulls i'll make sure there the right color and heck with how he stands and moves. Thanks
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double v":13z3t4iv said:
Don't be so hard on him. The only cow he owns is that Black one in his Avatar. I guess you just have to go with what you've got!.
ALACOWMAN
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it aint all bad.. when that light came on,it put you in a great posistion, to move foward .... now you can see what to look for.. 3 years in the making is short compared to somexbred":21txwur1 said:
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KNERSIE":3q27keer said:
:mrgreen: You really take the cake for arrogance. What kind of personality flaws do you have that make you dredge up honest critisism of your cattle in later posts??? I mean that as an honest question. I'm embarrassed for you. So far you are the ONLY person I've ever met that has called themselves an expert at anything except in jest.
In this case, the bull is flat out effeminate but I think the poster already knows that he shouldn't have turned him out so I held my tongue. In all honesty, I'd be alot better of money wise to turn out an inferior Char than I would to turn out a perfect Herford with to much white on him so I'd kind of have to choose this one over your breed standard hereford if they were the only two bulls available.
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cow pollinater":zdnxfpvz said::mrgreen: You really take the cake for arrogance. What kind of personality flaws do you have that make you dredge up honest critisism of your cattle in later posts??? I mean that as an honest question. I'm embarrassed for you. So far you are the ONLY person I've ever met that has called themselves an expert at anything except in jest.KNERSIE":zdnxfpvz said:
In this case, the bull is flat out effeminate but I think the poster already knows that he shouldn't have turned him out so I held my tongue. In all honesty, I'd be alot better of money wise to turn out an inferior Char than I would to turn out a perfect Herford with to much white on him so I'd kind of have to choose this one over your breed standard hereford if they were the only two bulls available.
And now that I've thought about it and laughed at your expense for awhile, it has occured to me that "ignorant" is assuming that your cattle are superior regardless of how well the market accepts them. I would think than an "expert" would have some knowledge of current market trends and how well their cattle would perform within them... I'm no "expert" and I'm bright enough to figure it out.
With Xbred's bull, your cow would be able to deliver normally because the calf would have a normal sized head
With Knerdsie's bull, you better hope that it is born breech; when that big head goes though the pelvic area, you better jerk it out fast!
With Knerdsie's bull, you better hope that it is born breech; when that big head goes though the pelvic area, you better jerk it out fast!
thommoos
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Let's hear YOUR expert opinion. Take that bull apart and analyze him from heels to head. I for one can't wait to hear it![/quote]
Wrong color.[/quote]
brilliant[/quote]
what do you expect a beefmaster avitar who loves Angus, color is not everything, doc right the bull lacks a lot, withwith that much grass he should be filled out, he lacks topline, front shoulders are narrow.
Wrong color.[/quote]
brilliant[/quote]
what do you expect a beefmaster avitar who loves Angus, color is not everything, doc right the bull lacks a lot, withwith that much grass he should be filled out, he lacks topline, front shoulders are narrow.
thommoos
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Xbred, just go get you a good beefmaster and breed them to those char cows and watch the calves grow like fire next year, beefmaster on chars work great, you will get some great hybrid vigor from those.
TennesseeTuxedo
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This place really cracks me up sometimes.
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and still a couple days from a full moon tooTennesseeTuxedo":36pmytl5 said:
Thommoos,
If you are speaking to me............First, I would like to tell Xbred is an excellent photographer. I think that Xbred needs to think about why his Char bull is under weight, and go from there. When I looked at the picture from the rear end, I was surprised at the width of the bull. If the bull was at his full weight, he would be a wide one.
Are you strictly a grazer? I noticed that you have an electric fence up and your pasture is shorter than the field beyond it. Any bull you run with cows will need a lot more pasture to keep up his weight. He doesn't have that many cows to keep up, but he needs some grain or high quality hay. If you are limited on space, you may have to wait on being a grazer only. Otherwise, check for worms and other parasites.
I am thinking the bull weighs more than he appears. If your calves are only eating the same grass that the bull is eating, and you are not creep feeding them, they may very well look like him too. I would put out a feeder for them and get their weight up if you are saying they are skinny. A young calf trying to grow without groceries will look under developed, and they need to be creep fed, minerals if they do not have access to a good quality pasture. It makes all the difference in the world.
OR,
What do you think about your cows? Are they keepers? If you question any of them, take some pictures and we can tell you what we think. You may not agree with our opinions, as we disagree with our opinions against each other. As Tennessee Tuxedo says, "This place cracks him up!" Tennessee Tuxedo, I think some people, have been were already cracked up before they got here.
You could just load everything like it is and take it to the sale barn.... Right now cows are at a premium, and it will give you some room to buy what you want. Maybe buy a few less, nicer cows; but get a better start from the beginning.
Chuckie
If you are speaking to me............First, I would like to tell Xbred is an excellent photographer. I think that Xbred needs to think about why his Char bull is under weight, and go from there. When I looked at the picture from the rear end, I was surprised at the width of the bull. If the bull was at his full weight, he would be a wide one.
Are you strictly a grazer? I noticed that you have an electric fence up and your pasture is shorter than the field beyond it. Any bull you run with cows will need a lot more pasture to keep up his weight. He doesn't have that many cows to keep up, but he needs some grain or high quality hay. If you are limited on space, you may have to wait on being a grazer only. Otherwise, check for worms and other parasites.
I am thinking the bull weighs more than he appears. If your calves are only eating the same grass that the bull is eating, and you are not creep feeding them, they may very well look like him too. I would put out a feeder for them and get their weight up if you are saying they are skinny. A young calf trying to grow without groceries will look under developed, and they need to be creep fed, minerals if they do not have access to a good quality pasture. It makes all the difference in the world.
OR,
What do you think about your cows? Are they keepers? If you question any of them, take some pictures and we can tell you what we think. You may not agree with our opinions, as we disagree with our opinions against each other. As Tennessee Tuxedo says, "This place cracks him up!" Tennessee Tuxedo, I think some people, have been were already cracked up before they got here.
You could just load everything like it is and take it to the sale barn.... Right now cows are at a premium, and it will give you some room to buy what you want. Maybe buy a few less, nicer cows; but get a better start from the beginning.
Chuckie
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If i had to do all that chuckie i would get a different bull.
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x2 . Our little pasture is 1800 acres ,we put out 130 cows out there with 7 bulls . Those boys got to travel to get their work done . They get 9 months off in the bachlor pad to put the weight back on .
Red Bull,
I am pretty much saying the same thing you are. Just giving him something to think about before he starts the process, of why he is in the situation he is in, and how to keep from getting in it again.
My problem is, that I have trouble expressing myself.
Chuckie
I am pretty much saying the same thing you are. Just giving him something to think about before he starts the process, of why he is in the situation he is in, and how to keep from getting in it again.
My problem is, that I have trouble expressing myself.
Chuckie
thommoos
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Chuclie, No I was not talking about you, But there is a 3 yo bull that in my opinion does not have the size he should have, he looks 1200 bls and should be closer to 16-1700. yes I like his Hind quarters but his front side is feminine to me, he has nice thickness in rear but lacks Depth, Unless he is heavy grain I do not believe he will every amount to a breeder char,Chuckie":2r21xcqb said:
Then why should I have to put so much into my cattle, I believe, good hay, good forage, water, proper maintenance, right geneitcs, they work for you not you for them. Xbred said the calf on this years crop was disappointing. I know I got stu :bang
id and put 10,000 in a bull to come up with, very disappointing offspring, I mean crying about, plain and simple some just do not turn out like we hope.:2cents:
Thommoos,
I sure hope that I won't be crying this year having spent less on mine. But, I wanted to tell Xbred that he needs to keep the groceries up in his cows, bulls and calves for them to come out ahead. You can have nice animals, and not get the right nutrients in them as you listed above, and they will look like doggies when you get them to the sale barn. The bull did not have that many cattle to cover, and he still should have been heavier. It will still look as if you have a bad bull and the calves turn out like the bull.
I hope that Xbred can get things turned around and show us a new bull and a fine herd the next time he photographs cattle. He could become a photographer for some of the cattle sales and shows.
Good luck Xbred!
Chuckie
I sure hope that I won't be crying this year having spent less on mine. But, I wanted to tell Xbred that he needs to keep the groceries up in his cows, bulls and calves for them to come out ahead. You can have nice animals, and not get the right nutrients in them as you listed above, and they will look like doggies when you get them to the sale barn. The bull did not have that many cattle to cover, and he still should have been heavier. It will still look as if you have a bad bull and the calves turn out like the bull.
I hope that Xbred can get things turned around and show us a new bull and a fine herd the next time he photographs cattle. He could become a photographer for some of the cattle sales and shows.
Good luck Xbred!
Chuckie
