It would take a dang fool to pay $1000.00 for that bull or a dang good auctioneer to be selling him. He aint no more than a killer bull and won't weigh near enuf to bring $1000.00plbcattle":1h3ul199 said:
Critic my Angus Bull please
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Caustic Burno
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la4angus":2t4ex4pa said:
La4 is dead on. Am I looking wrong but a lot of those cows look A liitle long in the tooth?
Yeahhh. There is more than 1 or 2 looking long in the tooth. More than one with white markings over the body. There is the one baldy and another with white in the front legs and white on brisket.
With age and condition on the cows I would expect them to bring about $500.00 to maybe one or two to bring $650.00.
Now is the time to be looking for a yearling bull to take the old ones place while the last years Fall crop hasn't been pretty well picked over. Don't wait until you need one to start looking and you will need one as soon as your first cow comes in heat.
With age and condition on the cows I would expect them to bring about $500.00 to maybe one or two to bring $650.00.
Now is the time to be looking for a yearling bull to take the old ones place while the last years Fall crop hasn't been pretty well picked over. Don't wait until you need one to start looking and you will need one as soon as your first cow comes in heat.
Ricker
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They were not portrayed to me as purebred Angus. Nor did I pay the price of purebred Angus.
It will be interesting to see what the bull brings at auction.
Stay tuned.
It will be interesting to see what the bull brings at auction.
Stay tuned.
I must be in the minority here; because the bull does not upset me greatly. I would not have bought him; but he does look like a run of the mill Angus that got a little stunted from working a little too hard too young. The one big nut does look a little peculiar too me. Get a veterinarian (and you might have too call 20 to find one who will do this) to come out and do a breeding soundness exam on that bull. He can tell more by putting his hands on those nuts and taking a semen sample than any of us can by looking at pics. Also ask him too preg check and mouth all of those cows. That way you will know who is open and when they are all supposed too calve and how old everybody is. I would also ask him about recommending a mineral program. I like your October grazing, but some of the cows look a little on the poor end. Cows lose weight in the winter typically and peals off of them during the first sixty days after calving. They SHOULD be in good condition going into the winter and those look a little on the lean side for my tastes. Talk with the vet about it, but you might want to hit the panic button and start feeding 3 lbs of grain per head per day.
Central Fl Cracker
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That is some sorry looking bull and cows. I hope you did not pay to much for them.
P.S.
Ricker is my brother and we own the cows and bull together :lol:
P.S.
Ricker is my brother and we own the cows and bull together :lol:
Ricker
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I think part of the problem might be this: I met with my ranch hand for the first time just a few weeks ago. He asked us what our goal was with our cattle. We told him we just wanted to do it basically as a hobby for now and get some gentle cows for our land so we can get the tax break and enjoy the process of the cow/calf operation with our kids. Maybe down the road get more serious into it.
This herd, being cheap and gentle seems to fit that bill don't you think?
By the way, I am sure the midget, tiny testicled bull will be gone soon. :lol:
This herd, being cheap and gentle seems to fit that bill don't you think?
By the way, I am sure the midget, tiny testicled bull will be gone soon. :lol:
Use a Very good bull on those cows and you will more than likely be pleasantly surprized at the results. This basically goes for just about any cow.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they are good, but considering your goals and the fact that you hven't paid much make them very do-able for the short term. luckily conformation is highly heritable so that isn't such a big problem to fix.
Look at the following site to get an idea what a fertile bull should look like.
http://www.bovineengineering.com/NL_fertile_bull.html
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they are good, but considering your goals and the fact that you hven't paid much make them very do-able for the short term. luckily conformation is highly heritable so that isn't such a big problem to fix.
Look at the following site to get an idea what a fertile bull should look like.
http://www.bovineengineering.com/NL_fertile_bull.html
ilfarmer92
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Ricker,
What I think you should do is sell the bull, then find someone in your area who leases bulls. I know a guy who leases some darn good Reg Angus bulls and a pretty good price. If you can, each breeding season try a different bull, maybe a different breed and get used to what good bulls look like. Then maybe in a couple years you'll know what a good bull looks like when you want to buy one
What I think you should do is sell the bull, then find someone in your area who leases bulls. I know a guy who leases some darn good Reg Angus bulls and a pretty good price. If you can, each breeding season try a different bull, maybe a different breed and get used to what good bulls look like. Then maybe in a couple years you'll know what a good bull looks like when you want to buy one
WDF
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Ricker....The cows are not that bad. Sell the bull. Talk to your neighbors or your hired hand and borrow/rent a good bull from a neighbor. Most will be glad to let you feed their bull for a couple of months and give it some action. You can pay a small fee to rent a bull cheaper than you can buy one and feed it.
Enjoy your cows and your tax break with Uncle Sam!!! :D
Enjoy your cows and your tax break with Uncle Sam!!! :D
Julian
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Maybe I missed it already mentioned in one of the posts in this topic, but to me the cattle look as if they have not had the groceries that they could have used to make a little more flesh. Did anyone mention that the cattle look like they are in a lower Body Condition Score than what they would want? I like our cattle to carry more flesh, and they do. If the problem for the low BCS scores on your cattle are due to available groceries and not due to genetics then you may have done real well and can fix that with providing more groceries to them than the previous owner. If they all put on 150 pounds they will look like completely different cattle. Another point to consider is that I didn't notice any particular professional cattle photographer's name in the bottom center of any of the photos. Some will take a peek at a snapshot and be able to tell you all about an animal. I wonder what those same people think about themselves after seeing their Driver's License photo.
If you bought thin cattle that are thin due to lack of groceries, you may have hit into a good thing if you have access to some cheep feedstuffs. If you bought cattle that are geneticially predisposed to stay thin you may have not hit into such a good thing. The most important atribute you want your cattle to have is that they breed back to calve every 12 months and produce a profitable calf. If your cattle do this and you turn some dollars then I would encourage you to purchase more cattle like you just did and keep making money. Laugh at those that are saying your cattle are substandard for their preferences as that will make them even cheaper for you to purchase more of in the future. If this is the case, try not to grin too hard when you are making larger bank deposits than those that think all cattle have to look like Denver champions.
If you bought thin cattle that are thin due to lack of groceries, you may have hit into a good thing if you have access to some cheep feedstuffs. If you bought cattle that are geneticially predisposed to stay thin you may have not hit into such a good thing. The most important atribute you want your cattle to have is that they breed back to calve every 12 months and produce a profitable calf. If your cattle do this and you turn some dollars then I would encourage you to purchase more cattle like you just did and keep making money. Laugh at those that are saying your cattle are substandard for their preferences as that will make them even cheaper for you to purchase more of in the future. If this is the case, try not to grin too hard when you are making larger bank deposits than those that think all cattle have to look like Denver champions.
If you say all the cows are bred for certain, and they are not due for months..then by all means sell the bull and recoup some costs upfront, and don't spend your money wintering him!
If the cows are due to calve soon, then you might want to keep him until they are all rebred. Are they his calves that are coming out of those cows? If so, then you will already have crop of his calves to compare and you will know if the bull can even give a polled black calf that will grow fast. If the calves look poor ship him before you get the cows bred back.
If the cows are due to calve soon, then you might want to keep him until they are all rebred. Are they his calves that are coming out of those cows? If so, then you will already have crop of his calves to compare and you will know if the bull can even give a polled black calf that will grow fast. If the calves look poor ship him before you get the cows bred back.
Central Fl Cracker
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Ricker
I don't think anyone likes our Bull. We have plenty of time to find one so let's be looking in the next few months or lease one this summer. :o
I don't think anyone likes our Bull. We have plenty of time to find one so let's be looking in the next few months or lease one this summer. :o
Jake
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If you spent $10,000 on 13 cows and a bull for a total of 14 head you only have $714.29 in them per head. Not bad if your looking for a CHEAP starter herd. You stated that cheap was your main goal and you achieved this. Since cheap is important quality is not going to be there the same way as if you bought $1400 top notch heifers from somebody. (such as me of course ;-) )
If your get rid of that bull you will most likely come close to a break even on him. Your cows aren't going to hurt you if you run them through the winter and hopefully put some weight on them; this may take suplement but you can do it. You should come out alright even if you sell the pairs either next spring or a year from now.
If your looking to keep this cows a few years get a good solid bull, but not an overly expensive one. Most won't agree but if these cows are only going to be around a few years then YOU CANNOT NOT AFFORD A $3000 bull. Which is about what a semi-top notch bull will cost. Renting or borrowing will be your best option.
That's probably enough for now,
Jake
If your get rid of that bull you will most likely come close to a break even on him. Your cows aren't going to hurt you if you run them through the winter and hopefully put some weight on them; this may take suplement but you can do it. You should come out alright even if you sell the pairs either next spring or a year from now.
If your looking to keep this cows a few years get a good solid bull, but not an overly expensive one. Most won't agree but if these cows are only going to be around a few years then YOU CANNOT NOT AFFORD A $3000 bull. Which is about what a semi-top notch bull will cost. Renting or borrowing will be your best option.
That's probably enough for now,
Jake
Central Fl Cracker
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KNERSIE":2arydwhm said:
I was taking a shower today and noticed my right testicle hangs lower than the left. I had twin bulls ( Twin Boys and still virgins ) 15 years ago and they are pretty good steers. :lol: :o
Julian
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Well put, Jake.
Mike, aren't you glad they didn't turn you into a SlimJim or send you to the Golden Arches?
Mike, aren't you glad they didn't turn you into a SlimJim or send you to the Golden Arches?
WDF
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Ricker.....I think that little red cow would look good at my farm.
If they calf un-assisted, get up, and take care of the calf.....you'll come out on the winning end of the deal. A couple of months on some of that good FLA grass and they'll look good.
If they calf un-assisted, get up, and take care of the calf.....you'll come out on the winning end of the deal. A couple of months on some of that good FLA grass and they'll look good.
Ricker
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Great post. Several others also have been very informative to us. Thanks much. I am going to go out there today and take more pics while there of the bull and some of the cows. Maybe get some other angles. Maybe a close up of his nuts!!! :shock:Julian":2uktvo60 said:
Seriously, thanks for the input to all. I am sure I will enjoy this forum over the next many years. Some of you will still be here then and will look back and remember my first herd and my first posts and laugh with me (instead of, at me, like now). :lol:
I have used other types of forums for many years for various interests. It is a great way to learn from others experiences. One of the main forums I use is for flats fishing in the south which I do religously near New Smyrna Beach FL. I am at my 4,500th post on that site.
I now about all the different styles and personalities of posters too: trolls, ego maniacs, know it alls, jokesters, lurkers(you know who you are) the kind hearted and generous folks too.
I have learned to have thick skin and have made many good friends from these other forums. Many of us even get together and fish, smoke ceegars and tell tall fish tales of the ones that got away.
I look forward to many years on here as well.
Ricker - Good luck with your cattle venture!
I concur with many opinions to your cattle, I believe some dairy influence in your cows, which could benefit you for feeding their calves. But on the downside, they may blow out their bags before their time. The bull, could look "stunted" maybe perhaps because usually dairy animals (holstein) are quit a bit taller than the average angus.
Either way, the cows need some good groceries, the bull should go... he is, in my opinion, a "below average" animal....
As far as taking additional pics, find a post by... Bez, or Bez-, or Bez!... any of his other monikers, he has a great post about how to take cattle pics, where to stand, at what angle, etc... A bad pic can make the best animal look like crap ;-)
Michele
I concur with many opinions to your cattle, I believe some dairy influence in your cows, which could benefit you for feeding their calves. But on the downside, they may blow out their bags before their time. The bull, could look "stunted" maybe perhaps because usually dairy animals (holstein) are quit a bit taller than the average angus.
Either way, the cows need some good groceries, the bull should go... he is, in my opinion, a "below average" animal....
As far as taking additional pics, find a post by... Bez, or Bez-, or Bez!... any of his other monikers, he has a great post about how to take cattle pics, where to stand, at what angle, etc... A bad pic can make the best animal look like crap ;-)
Michele
