certherfbeef
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greenwillowherefords":1786n7l0 said:
That is the you scratch my back I'll scratch yours I mentioned earlier. Seems to work for them
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That is the you scratch my back I'll scratch yours I mentioned earlier. Seems to work for them
greenwillowherefords
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certherfbeef":1naye58s said:
Dare I mention two Line 1 breeders? Better not.
Cattle Rack Rancher
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Tactics like that work for everybody involved. The seller of the highest priced animal gets listed in the sale report as such meaning that he must have the best genetics and the buyer gets listed in the sale report meaning he's buying the best genetics. I've seen this at a few bull sales I've been at. I remember that there was alot of 'bull trading' going on back in the 80's where two fairly large Simmental breeders would bid up each other's cattle so they got alot of marketing mileage out of it in the sale reports but very little if any money traded hands.
sidney411
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I have never heard of a sheath girdle either?
fellersbarnoneranch
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:lol: :lol: :lol2:
For those of you who have never heard of a "sheath girdle".....
I thought that I was being creative with the spray-painting of the Charlais heifers idea and also the sheath girdle. I just figured that since the topic was started, that I might make some interesting reading since nobody else wanted to share anything of much subsance. I am sorry that the sarcasm was not more apparent. :roll:
For those of you who have never heard of a "sheath girdle".....
I thought that I was being creative with the spray-painting of the Charlais heifers idea and also the sheath girdle. I just figured that since the topic was started, that I might make some interesting reading since nobody else wanted to share anything of much subsance. I am sorry that the sarcasm was not more apparent. :roll:
Feller I found your coment to be very entertaining and some what truthfull. It all goes back to buyer beware. I go to a sale barn with the same thing on my mind each time. "there is a reason these cattle are here." That is no to say all are bad. There are some "bargains" and some good cattle sold. SOME good cattle sold. If you are new maybe this will help. Ask the local owner of the barn to recomend an order buyer. Go to that person tell him or her what you are interested in and all the details.(price, age and such) You might mention that if the deal is not kept you will not pay them. This is probly going to be hard to find one in certain instances. I hope this will work for some new people. Anyone that can elaborate or fine tune feel free. But keep trying and learning all you can befor you go to a sale barn. If you don't and you enter this with reckless abandonment you deserve what you get.
Scotty
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Well it seems to me like this post has generated a lot of BS. I just read all of the post and didn't get much out of it. But anyway here is a personal story.
I bought 2 char cows from a salebarn in July and decided I didn't want them b/c I ended up buying another 20 brangus cows. I just wanted them all to be alike, so I sold the 2 char cows in mid August at the same sale barn. Here comes the twist. When I bought the 2, they were 5 years old and in the 3rd stage of pregnancy. When I sold them, one was Short and Solid and in the 2nd stage and the other was so old they couldn't tell it's age and it was open. Amazing that in 2 months these cows get several years older and their pregnancy reverses. I lost about $250 bucks on these cows. I won't ever go back to that barn again. And until then, that was the only salebarn we used.
Josh
I bought 2 char cows from a salebarn in July and decided I didn't want them b/c I ended up buying another 20 brangus cows. I just wanted them all to be alike, so I sold the 2 char cows in mid August at the same sale barn. Here comes the twist. When I bought the 2, they were 5 years old and in the 3rd stage of pregnancy. When I sold them, one was Short and Solid and in the 2nd stage and the other was so old they couldn't tell it's age and it was open. Amazing that in 2 months these cows get several years older and their pregnancy reverses. I lost about $250 bucks on these cows. I won't ever go back to that barn again. And until then, that was the only salebarn we used.
Josh
TheBullLady
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It's sure disappointing to think you have to hire a lawyer because of something like this. It's hard to find many people with integrity any more.
A while back I purchased 2 cows at a sale. 1 I thought was getting on in years, the other I thought was fairly young. 3 Different vets aged them by their teeth. The one I thought was oldest was aged at 4, 6 and 8. The younger one (I thought) was aged at 4, 4 and 7. The old cow was aged every year since then as 7, this year she jumped to 7. The younger cow has jumped to 12 also. Aging by teeth is a tough job and is really pretty subjective. Additionally, the main complaint I hear about vets is the errors in determining the pregnancy, and the number of months bred. I'm not saying that all was on the up and up, but there is alwasy room for mistakes.
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CattleAnnie
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I'm feeling a bit burnt by Nilsson's (Clyde,AB) this fall myself.
Bad luck with the bulls not finding a bunch of late calvers I moved across the river this summer. When we pregged in mid Nov. (and our vet is the king of thorough preg testing...he really takes his time when he thinks there's even a possibility of late or open prognosis) I ended up with 11 open cows. 2 of them first calvers, the rest good mid production cows.
Put 10 of them on the truck for Clyde two weeks later (one of them is thin, so I kept her back to fatten up a bit). Here's where the "funny stuff" starts:
Even though I never wrote a request for preg testing, the auction mart went ahead and did it. Charged 5 bucks a head to do it, too (on top of their $22 per head commision on cows).
Lo and behold, the vet down there decides that 3 of the cows and 1 of the heifers are bred.
Yes, it could be argued that as breds I received a somewhat nominally better price per cow, but I wonder if some poor rancher is actually going to get a calf out of them due to an error of the vet pregging hundreds of head a day.
Prices are as follows: Nov.13/04 Sale
Description CommisionCode Quantity AvgWt Price Amount
RBF COW 3.50% 1 1410 340.00H 340.00
BLK COW 3.50% 1 1170 350.00H 350.00
RWF COW 3.50% 1 1310 450.00H 450.00
MIX COW 22.00H 2 1375 19.00C 522.50
MIX COW 22.00H 3 1503 20.50C 924.55
TWF COW(hfr) 3.50% 1 1270 420.00H 420.00
BLK COW(hfr) 22.00H 1 1240 22.50C 279.00
Net profit (ha-ha) after Commision, trucking, ACC/ABP, Security Fund(?),Transit Insurance, Goods&ServiceTax,and the unrequested PregTesting for selling ten head of cows (granted a lot of small ones in that group):
$2,649.59 for 10 head of cows. 4 of which "verified" bred by Nilsson's vet two weeks after tested open at home by the most conscientous vet I've had the distinct pleasure of knowing (and we've got some great vets up here - thank God)!!!!
Maybe this dam BSE crapola is getting me down, but it sure seems that with all the financial difficulties in the industry, Nilsson's commision on those ten head ($220.00) and the PregCharge ($50.00) doesn't seem to reflect much compassion for the producer. And I'd sleep easier at night knowing that some poor soul didn't buy open cattle advertised as bred!!!
Especially since they own XL Foods- the only major slaughterhouse that's allowed to butcher and process mature cattle in Canada(and those of us in the industry up here know beyond the shadow of a doubt that they're raking it in hand over fist with that plant due to the cheap prices they procur the animals at) ya think they'd give the producers a break on commision?
Yeah, right! Guaranteed it's the last time I'll ever ship stock to their rip-off market. Not that they'll give a fig, but I'd as soon send my stock to an independant market in the future...someone that might have some integrity rather than an outfit that would bleed dry the hand that feeds them. Pregtesting without a written request on open cull cows to boot!!!
End of friggin' rant.
Bad luck with the bulls not finding a bunch of late calvers I moved across the river this summer. When we pregged in mid Nov. (and our vet is the king of thorough preg testing...he really takes his time when he thinks there's even a possibility of late or open prognosis) I ended up with 11 open cows. 2 of them first calvers, the rest good mid production cows.
Put 10 of them on the truck for Clyde two weeks later (one of them is thin, so I kept her back to fatten up a bit). Here's where the "funny stuff" starts:
Even though I never wrote a request for preg testing, the auction mart went ahead and did it. Charged 5 bucks a head to do it, too (on top of their $22 per head commision on cows).
Lo and behold, the vet down there decides that 3 of the cows and 1 of the heifers are bred.
Yes, it could be argued that as breds I received a somewhat nominally better price per cow, but I wonder if some poor rancher is actually going to get a calf out of them due to an error of the vet pregging hundreds of head a day.
Prices are as follows: Nov.13/04 Sale
Description CommisionCode Quantity AvgWt Price Amount
RBF COW 3.50% 1 1410 340.00H 340.00
BLK COW 3.50% 1 1170 350.00H 350.00
RWF COW 3.50% 1 1310 450.00H 450.00
MIX COW 22.00H 2 1375 19.00C 522.50
MIX COW 22.00H 3 1503 20.50C 924.55
TWF COW(hfr) 3.50% 1 1270 420.00H 420.00
BLK COW(hfr) 22.00H 1 1240 22.50C 279.00
Net profit (ha-ha) after Commision, trucking, ACC/ABP, Security Fund(?),Transit Insurance, Goods&ServiceTax,and the unrequested PregTesting for selling ten head of cows (granted a lot of small ones in that group):
$2,649.59 for 10 head of cows. 4 of which "verified" bred by Nilsson's vet two weeks after tested open at home by the most conscientous vet I've had the distinct pleasure of knowing (and we've got some great vets up here - thank God)!!!!
Maybe this dam BSE crapola is getting me down, but it sure seems that with all the financial difficulties in the industry, Nilsson's commision on those ten head ($220.00) and the PregCharge ($50.00) doesn't seem to reflect much compassion for the producer. And I'd sleep easier at night knowing that some poor soul didn't buy open cattle advertised as bred!!!
Especially since they own XL Foods- the only major slaughterhouse that's allowed to butcher and process mature cattle in Canada(and those of us in the industry up here know beyond the shadow of a doubt that they're raking it in hand over fist with that plant due to the cheap prices they procur the animals at) ya think they'd give the producers a break on commision?
Yeah, right! Guaranteed it's the last time I'll ever ship stock to their rip-off market. Not that they'll give a fig, but I'd as soon send my stock to an independant market in the future...someone that might have some integrity rather than an outfit that would bleed dry the hand that feeds them. Pregtesting without a written request on open cull cows to boot!!!
End of friggin' rant.
I am a new member and not one to spread rumors. I will say that the old addage that power corupts and absolute power corupts absolutely may be something to think about when dealing with the big boys. Keeping with this, the big boys aren't like dealing with your neighbor when it comes to buying an animal. Also keep in mind that just because they raise more cattle and have a good marketing strategy does not mean that they have the best animals in their respective breeds. Ratios and epd's that appear on reg. papers are only worth so much depending on what animals they group together. Why do you think so many animals start with Epds. that the animal can not live up to after only 15 or 20 progeny are posted in 6 or 7 heards that are not owned or monipulated by the owner of many bulls. The same tactics are applied at the sales to WOW! you into believing their animals are worth more then the other guys. Many people are not independent thinkers and are lead to believe if they use this guys bulls or their cows in their heard the dollars will follow. Sadly most are mistaken.
eric
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WOW Annie, I had no idea prices were that bad up there. I knew they were low, but that's ridiculas! $19-$22/C! How in the world can any of you guys keep this up nowadays? It's gotta be costing you money to raise cattle at these prices! Hope things get better for you sooner than later, or there may not be any cattle and/or ranchers left up there!
Can't imagine selling 10 cows and getting $2600!
Can't imagine selling 10 cows and getting $2600!
frenchie
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]eric":urof4byr said:
Eric..........Some have got even less for their cows.One fello here hauled 2 cows in got $45 FOR THE PAIR.
