Cassius Clay

True Grit Farms":z9db4mer said:
Just another anti American in my eyes, but one heck of a boxer.
Personally I didn;t like him or what he stood for therefore the name. But boxing was something else.
 
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I live in the shadow of Louisville and it always saddened me that the local community glamorized him but ridiculed our Vietnam vets. It made me suspicious of our local political leaders then and it hasn't changed even to this day. They all want to be politically correct. There's not a street in Louisville named after a Vietnam Veteran, yet they have a main thoroughfare named Muhammad Ali Blvd.
 
I knew nothing about the man other than he was a good boxer till I saw some clips on ESPN this morning. It change my thoughts about him for sure.
 
TennesseeTuxedo":ngo1mdy2 said:
Son of Butch":ngo1mdy2 said:
Love him or hate him, there will never be another like him.
He transcended the world of sports like no other to become a cultural icon.

Like O.J.?
Not at all. At one time he was the most recognizable and respected man in the world.... #2 was Henry Kissinger.
My guess is, it was probably before your time. To me Kissinger was more despicable than O.J. having the blood on his
hands of every U.S. soldier killed in Vietnam after 1968......but that's another story.
 
Caustic Burno":72oop43q said:
dun":72oop43q said:
GOAT died friday age 74
One more draft dodger gone.
Wanted the milk and honey as millions of other leaches too big a coward to actually pay for it IMO.
Did I miss something about when Vietnam invaded the US?
Maybe it's just be, but I'm not going to join the military and be told where I should lay down my life.. be darned if I won't fight tooth and nail on home turf though.
 
He was drafted that was a system that the government ran that every able bodied man could be called up.
He was to big a coward to go do his duty as millions of others.
And people wonder what is wrong with this country
 
Caustic Burno":3dppvkzv said:
He was drafted that was a system that the government ran that every able bodied man could be called up.
He was to big a coward to go do his duty as millions of others.
And people wonder what is wrong with this country
Actually he was a conscientious objector for religious reasons. The same privilege granted to many of various religious faiths to this very day yet we chose to prosecute him (which was subsequently overturned) I never saw anything about his that was cowardly. Actually he was brave enough to stand up for what he believed even though I disagreed with him on some things. Perhaps one of the early ones who refused to be "PC" in all ways. Without him, his mouth, his attitude and his skills, boxing would probably have died 40 years ago.
 
They should build a memorial wall for him and people like him. Athletes that are idolized only for their ability despite their actions. Save spots for o.j. and Tyson.
Call it piece of shyt hill.

I really don't think he deserves to have his life or death even mentioned.
 
TexasBred":3oehi3gm said:
Caustic Burno":3oehi3gm said:
He was drafted that was a system that the government ran that every able bodied man could be called up.
He was to big a coward to go do his duty as millions of others.
And people wonder what is wrong with this country
Actually he was a conscientious objector for religious reasons. The same privilege granted to many of various religious faiths to this very day yet we chose to prosecute him (which was subsequently overturned) I never saw anything about his that was cowardly. Actually he was brave enough to stand up for what he believed even though I disagreed with him on some things. Perhaps one of the early ones who refused to be "PC" in all ways. Without him, his mouth, his attitude and his skills, boxing would probably have died 40 years ago.
On this I have to agree with TB.
Just because I may not like or agree with somebody certainly does not make them a coward.
Had he gone in the military he would never have served a day in combat but would have been used for exhibitions and publicity for the military. He knew that.
He said "those little yellow men had never done anything to him".
He was the greatest boxer I have ever seen and also had the loudest mouth.
 
Son of Butch":3dkpz02s said:
TennesseeTuxedo":3dkpz02s said:
Son of Butch":3dkpz02s said:
Love him or hate him, there will never be another like him.
He transcended the world of sports like no other to become a cultural icon.

Like O.J.?
Not at all. At one time he was the most recognizable and respected man in the world.... #2 was Henry Kissinger.
My guess is, it was probably before your time. To me Kissinger was more despicable than O.J. having the blood on his
hands of every U.S. soldier killed in Vietnam after 1968......but that's another story.

I'm 54 so not before my time. I know what it means to dodge the draft and I also remember the rabble roused by Malcom X and The Nation of Islam. Clay was not my idea of a patriot then nor now SOB.

You may feel free to worship at his throne if you wish.
 

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