Bothersome neighbor animal

[WORANCH]

Hi,

I thought i'd ask a question concerning a friend. She is a widow of a good friend, and therefore, a good and loved friend. She moved up to a property up near Wyoming's border area and has since moving there been having issue with the neighbors roaming animal. She has on several occasions contacted this individual in person with no result. He's response has been 'its their nature' there doing their job and dont know any better.'

This has progressively gotten worse. The animal has become a threat! Already she has lost several chickens to this brute and has more recently had her pigmy and dogs attacked by this critter. Help and advise requested.

I have made a recommendation to her already, and but I thought I'd ask help here.

She allow's her dogs to roam her property but don't go much beyond a small hill (well trained), and let's the chickens out when the dogs are out. She had an issue with a coyote but that seems to have gone away (she thinks one of her better aiming neighbors dealt with that) so its just this one stupid critter. Her dogs are kept mostly for breeding and she sells the pups. Good stock, gorgous too. She had one of the bitches that was pretty messed up by this animal and shes really getting fed up here. She has a small fence in the rear but mostly, as alot of rural area's, its unfenced. She doesnt have the necessary means to really assemble a fence for her three acres. Her 3 dogs and animals are not the issue: Its the neighbor.

*the annoyed friend* :devil2:

Apologies if this is not the location for this inquiry.

Some states have "Fence out laws " She may need to build a fence , as CB says check the law.

 

[Pawandhoof]

Most of.this is pretty informative. Just remember most states strictly lay out you are only allowed to dispatch a dog if it is caught in the act of actually causing harmto live stock. A brief glance through a few forum threads show a substantial minority simply shot.on sight, an illegal and unethical habit. I realize personal history likely.has caused this but that is not an excuse. This works simply as blame is almost impossible to.assign. SSS

However its also true that stock animals that cause become troublesoke are dealt with in the same illegal manner and again.blame is awful hard to assign. Is it ethical? Depends on which one of.the parties you ask.

Unlike alot of the folks here shooting any critter is a last resort, as id have trouble accepting it otherwise. Not going.l to argue right or wrong here was simply seeking input on.how one would deal with an.idiot neighboring rancher in such circumstances.

Thank you all, especially those that gave workable answers.

 

[melking]

I think I would have to weigh in with wrangler on this one. Gonna need to be a big hole, better start digging, wait does that make it premeditated? Still think it is the way to go quietly and carefully.

 

[Alan]

Most of.this is pretty informative. Just remember most states strictly lay out you are only allowed to dispatch a dog if it is caught in the act of actually causing harmto live stock. A brief glance through a few forum threads show a substantial minority simply shot.on sight, an illegal and unethical habit. I realize personal history likely.has caused this but that is not an excuse. This works simply as blame is almost impossible to.assign. SSS

However its also true that stock animals that cause become troublesoke are dealt with in the same illegal manner and again.blame is awful hard to assign. Is it ethical? Depends on which one of.the parties you ask.

Unlike alot of the folks here shooting any critter is a last resort, as id have trouble accepting it otherwise. Not going.l to argue right or wrong here was simply seeking input on.how one would deal with an.idiot neighboring rancher in such circumstances.

Thank you all, especially those that gave workable answers.

At times I go out of my way to welcome newbies to the forum, right folks :mrgreen: , but I think CB nailed this ..... Something is starting to stink. I found it strange that in your first post you went out of your way not to mention the kind of problem animal it was, hence sitting up the assumption for the board it was a dog (enter Jo's wildebeest). Okay, neighbor was contacted, no help with the problem, isn't a "no brainier" the next step is the Sherriff, animal control, district attorney, land use commission, other neighbors, cattlemans association, lawyer? ..... But then again why not contact a public forum with the serious problem and post this serious problem with a curve ball by purposely not saying what type of animal it is. So what I see you saying is "Hi all, I'm new here and here is a chuck of bait for all that will bite". Makes me think, PETA or U.S. humane society.

Oh, and :welcome:
Alan

 

[Dave]

A one or two strand electric fence is pretty cheap to build and they are pretty effective if kept good and hot.

This friend is "up near the Wyoming border'. You might not consider it range land but it well could be designated as rangeland. Lots of western states have range land. It is your responciblity to fence free ranging animals off your property in those areas. There have been some real bitter battles faught over this issue in recent years as people from the urban areas move out into the country side.

 

[dieselbeef]

peeeeyou

 

[andybob]

That's why I got rid of my wildebeest. You just can't keep those critters in the yard and man did they hate the neighbors dogs just like in this case. They must think they are hyenas or jackals or something. We are talking about wildebeests aren't we? Sure sounds like it.

I was not even aware those could be owned and roam at large in the North American continent? That is interesting! Ive never had that meat before, I wonder what it's like? Would imagine it not being a major food source locally it likely is pricey.
Yes I could see how it'd confuse the dogs with Hyenas and jackals. I did some research on Hyenas before, they are not dogs actually.
But have a bite far more potent. A very scary creature IMHO

I doubt there are any outside of zoo's or safari parks, rubbish eating so not worth keeping as an exotic, Eland would be a better antelope to consider (Jo's joking aside).

 

[ALACOWMAN]

Most of.this is pretty informative. Just remember most states strictly lay out you are only allowed to dispatch a dog if it is caught in the act of actually causing harmto live stock. A brief glance through a few forum threads show a substantial minority simply shot.on sight, an illegal and unethical habit. I realize personal history likely.has caused this but that is not an excuse. This works simply as blame is almost impossible to.assign. SSS

However its also true that stock animals that cause become troublesoke are dealt with in the same illegal manner and again.blame is awful hard to assign. Is it ethical? Depends on which one of.the parties you ask.

Unlike alot of the folks here shooting any critter is a last resort, as id have trouble accepting it otherwise. Not going.l to argue right or wrong here was simply seeking input on.how one would deal with an.idiot neighboring rancher in such circumstances.

Thank you all, especially those that gave workable answers.

At times I go out of my way to welcome newbies to the forum, right folks :mrgreen: , but I think CB nailed this ..... Something is starting to stink. I found it strange that in your first post you went out of your way not to mention the kind of problem animal it was, hence sitting up the assumption for the board it was a dog (enter Jo's wildebeest). Okay, neighbor was contacted, no help with the problem, isn't a "no brainier" the next step is the Sherriff, animal control, district attorney, land use commission, other neighbors, cattlemans association, lawyer? ..... But then again why not contact a public forum with the serious problem and post this serious problem with a curve ball by purposely not saying what type of animal it is. So what I see you saying is "Hi all, I'm new here and here is a chuck of bait for all that will bite". Makes me think, PETA or U.S. humane society.

Oh, and :welcome:
Alan

well in that case, id gut shoot him and let him crawl home to die

 

[alisonb]

The smell of a rat.......

 

[highgrit]

There are dogooders and liberals that raise cows. Some to look at, and the rest sell organically raised beef. Hopefully one of these days they
will have a hunting season for liberals, vegetarians, and dogooders.

 

[Pawandhoof]

Most of.this is pretty informative. Just remember most states strictly lay out you are only allowed to dispatch a dog if it is caught in the act of actually causing harmto live stock. A brief glance through a few forum threads show a substantial minority simply shot.on sight, an illegal and unethical habit. I realize personal history likely.has caused this but that is not an excuse. This works simply as blame is almost impossible to.assign. SSS

However its also true that stock animals that cause become troublesoke are dealt with in the same illegal manner and again.blame is awful hard to assign. Is it ethical? Depends on which one of.the parties you ask.

Unlike alot of the folks here shooting any critter is a last resort, as id have trouble accepting it otherwise. Not going.l to argue right or wrong here was simply seeking input on.how one would deal with an.idiot neighboring rancher in such circumstances.

Thank you all, especially those that gave workable answers.

At times I go out of my way to welcome newbies to the forum, right folks :mrgreen: , but I think CB nailed this ..... Something is starting to stink. I found it strange that in your first post you went out of your way not to mention the kind of problem animal it was, hence sitting up the assumption for the board it was a dog (enter Jo's wildebeest). Okay, neighbor was contacted, no help with the problem, isn't a "no brainier" the next step is the Sherriff, animal control, district attorney, land use commission, other neighbors, cattlemans association, lawyer? ..... But then again why not contact a public forum with the serious problem and post this serious problem with a curve ball by purposely not saying what type of animal it is. So what I see you saying is "Hi all, I'm new here and here is a chuck of bait for all that will bite". Makes me think, PETA or U.S. humane society.

Oh, and :welcome:
Alan

To be perfectly honest I do not feel I mislead anyone here. I said a dangerous animal, and thats what it is: A dangerous critter.

I believe it is only perhaps yourself who seems to believe there's a difference here, not necessarily me. When I realized someone asked 'what kind of animal' I immediately clarified, you'll see that occurred when there were only three posted replies. I did nothing that I myself feel was a violation of trust nor an attempt on my part to hide some part of it. I clarified as soon as I realized folks were caring what type of critter it was.

So I assume to you a roaming dog or any dog for that matter, rather its causing mischief, harm, or simply wondering around is an immediate target regardless of grounds? That's not ethical. If its causing issue or distress or worse, actually attacking your stock do what you need to. Thats common sense and justified.

As for implying I am with 'peta or the humane society?' Come on. Again, common sense here. I did a quick search using this forum thread feature just typing in 'SSS' and found numerous posts encouraging and admitting being directly involved in executing a dog that was causing no issue whatsoever aside from simply wondering onto their property. The law clearly classifies that as illegal in many states and society would call that an act without moral defense. I understand history plays a role in such actions, sure, common sense, an ability to measure a situation and a sense of simple ethics in executing a decision is all it takes to make a good call from a bad one.

So in effect I am not trying to 'feed' the view you're implying.

I am not disignating this critter as anything else than a dangerous animal. I am merely going to say that using the same illegal practice you and others here condone using the 'SSS' method would and is an option in dealing with this issue. Don't worry, I would never do a thing that was not justified and I feel this is one of the cases where it is, I only came here to see if there were any other suggestions beyond that.

I am not a person without morals and I include them in any decision I make day to day.

Apologies if you felt I had somehow worked overtime to mislead anyone here. I even clarified as soon as I realized there was confusion, and even supported removing dangerous critters myself.

Thank you.

 

[Pawandhoof]

There are dogooders and liberals that raise cows. Some to look at, and the rest sell organically raised beef. Hopefully one of these days they
will have a hunting season for liberals, vegetarians, and dogooders.

I'm far from a liberal and far from a do gooder. I believe crime and death are a natural cycle of life that assists in leveling out the bad folks. When i lived in california I witnessed several gang related crimes in person and you quickly learn that if someones killed its best to leave your nose out of it and shut up. It's none of your concern and believe me there is a strict code there that will make you regret it if you cross that line.

I suppose theres not much way to convince you otherwise so I dont see a point in trying. Again this isn't a question abotu liberals or do gooders, this is a inquiry for feed back. I support alot of points of views, and dont support others, some of them may be more liberal than others.

Now you all seem to jump to the conclusions here that are not true. Here's the skinny of it since you all seem to be misunderstanding very basic responses:

1: If a animal, dog, to you folks, is a danger or risk to your critters do what you need to do. This is not a blanket opinion that would support you shooting a dog that is causing no issue whats so ever as thats simply both illegal and unethical.

2: This is a jack that is causing the issue. I support method one when dealing with jacks, or any other nuisance critter. Again, is it ethical? It depends on the party your talking to. This is not the first time this has occured and I felt I'd ask a forum I thought could give feedback...and some have, and I am grateful to those who have.

3: She raises rottwieilers. THey have come over numerous generations and breed for good temperment. If anyone here knows dogs beyond shooting them and burying them, you can easily use 'selective breeding' to targer specific traits, this is one of them. Are they dangerous? I'd say no, however, any critter can be. She keeps them controlled, in sight, and mostly either in her rear yard or out front when shes there. They do not roam and are not allowed to roam. THe offending animal has come onto her property many times, and been given numerous times and warnings to the owner, who refuses to take any actual action about it.

So. I hope that again, clarifies. Jesus.....and I'm not even religious, this is a weird conversation! I aught of just shot it the way these things are handled in California and been done with it seems, but I dont support such actions unless they are a final and absolute necessity.

 

[ALACOWMAN]

There are dogooders and liberals that raise cows. Some to look at, and the rest sell organically raised beef. Hopefully one of these days they
will have a hunting season for liberals, vegetarians, and dogooders.

I'm far from a liberal and far from a do gooder. I believe crime and death are a natural cycle of life that assists in leveling out the bad folks. When i lived in california I witnessed several gang related crimes in person and you quickly learn that if someones killed its best to leave your nose out of it and shut up. It's none of your concern and believe me there is a strict code there that will make you regret it if you cross that line.

I suppose theres not much way to convince you otherwise so I dont see a point in trying. Again this isn't a question abotu liberals or do gooders, this is a inquiry for feed back. I support alot of points of views, and dont support others, some of them may be more liberal than others.

Now you all seem to jump to the conclusions here that are not true. Here's the skinny of it since you all seem to be misunderstanding very basic responses:

1: If a animal, dog, to you folks, is a danger or risk to your critters do what you need to do. This is not a blanket opinion that would support you shooting a dog that is causing no issue whats so ever as thats simply both illegal and unethical.

2: This is a jack that is causing the issue. I support method one when dealing with jacks, or any other nuisance critter. Again, is it ethical? It depends on the party your talking to. This is not the first time this has occured and I felt I'd ask a forum I thought could give feedback...and some have, and I am grateful to those who have.

3: She raises rottwieilers. THey have come over numerous generations and breed for good temperment. If anyone here knows dogs beyond shooting them and burying them, you can easily use 'selective breeding' to targer specific traits, this is one of them. Are they dangerous? I'd say no, however, any critter can be. She keeps them controlled, in sight, and mostly either in her rear yard or out front when shes there. They do not roam and are not allowed to roam. THe offending animal has come onto her property many times, and been given numerous times and warnings to the owner, who refuses to take any actual action about it.

So. I hope that again, clarifies. Jesus.....and I'm not even religious, this is a weird conversation! I aught of just shot it the way these things are handled in California and been done with it seems, but I dont support such actions unless they are a final and absolute necessity.

now that!! i believe :cowboy:

 

[M5farm]

Hi,

I thought i'd ask a question concerning a friend. She is a widow of a good friend, and therefore, a good and loved friend. She moved up to a property up near Wyoming's border area and has since moving there been having issue with the neighbors roaming animal. She has on several occasions contacted this individual in person with no result. He's response has been 'its their nature' there doing their job and dont know any better.'

This has progressively gotten worse. The animal has become a threat! Already she has lost several chickens to this brute and has more recently had her pigmy and dogs attacked by this critter. Help and advise requested.

I have made a recommendation to her already, and but I thought I'd ask help here.

She allow's her dogs to roam her property but don't go much beyond a small hill (well trained), and let's the chickens out when the dogs are out. She had an issue with a coyote but that seems to have gone away (she thinks one of her better aiming neighbors dealt with that) so its just this one stupid critter. Her dogs are kept mostly for breeding and she sells the pups. Good stock, gorgous too. She had one of the bitches that was pretty messed up by this animal and shes really getting fed up here. She has a small fence in the rear but mostly, as alot of rural area's, its unfenced. She doesnt have the necessary means to really assemble a fence for her three acres. Her 3 dogs and animals are not the issue: Its the neighbor.

*the annoyed friend* :devil2:

Apologies if this is not the location for this inquiry.

buy a jenny friend for him they like company. You say she does not have resources to fence 3 acres???? then tell her to barter a dog with a fence guy 3 acres of hot wire can be done for couple hundred bucks. and fence chargers are less than 200. I bet she sells the pups for at least 500 so its a even trade. If my neighbors jack Azz was coming on my property and he didn't fix it. I would offer to fix his fence for him. just my thoughts and ramblings but I agree something doesn't sound right that a person that has resources to raise prized Dogs but cant build a fence. ??????????

 

[Dave]

You would have to look into the law in your neighborhood. But here when the jack in on your property you could legally catch it (bait it into a small pen) and then charge the guy to get it back. Here there is no set amount you can charge so the sky is the limit. A few short stays at $50 a day and the owner might try harder to keep him home.

I still wonder about open range. You describe the owner of the offending donkey as a rancher. And the location near the Wyoming border. It is a long ways around the Wyoming border and the vast majority of that land would probably be open range.

 

[milkmaid]

I agree that people should contain their animals - regardless of whether they're cows, horses, llamas, or dogs - but! if she doesn't like the jack on her property, she's going to have to build a fence.

What started out as an open range state has been further defined in case law over the years to be a fence out state with regards to cattle, and a fence in state with regards to sheep in case law, and a fence in state for swine, goats and elk set forth in statutory law.
http://wlsb.state.wy.us/LE/fencelaw.htm

 

[VanC]

Quite a few years ago 5 dogs in the neighborhood would get together several times a week, trot over to my place and chase holstein heifers until they were totally exhausted, pull them down and then eat only the ear that was sticking up as well as eat out the rear end of the heifers. All died...ended up loosing 6...I caught them at it one day, shot 3 on the spot, got in the truck, drove around to a county dirt road and the other two crossed the road...got one more there....recognized the last one and knew who he belonged to. They actually were all pets until they got into a pack. Later in the afternoon I drove down to the house of the owner of the last dog and blew the SOB off the front steps with a load of buckshot. They owner was about ready to kick my rear until I told him what was going on and then he understood completely. Shoot the SOB and dump him on the neighbor's front porch.You may have to kick his a$$ but if he's any man at all he'll thank you.

Jeez, TB, that guy was a lot more understanding than I would have been. Somebody comes on my property and shoots my dog on my front porch and I'm likely to come out firing. Especially if any member of my family is home. Even here in Illinois the law would be on my side.

 

[TexasBred]

Jeez, TB, that guy was a lot more understanding than I would have been. Somebody comes on my property and shoots my dog on my front porch and I'm likely to come out firing. Especially if any member of my family is home. Even here in Illinois the law would be on my side.

Well it was either that or he was going to pay me about $12,000 for the cows. I'm sure the law was on his side too but guess he realized that ol' rover was living two different lifestyles and he didn't like the killer side either. Now Van you know that running out into gunfire ain't real smart. YOU could get hurt. ;-)

 

[Jogeephus]

Since we're not talking wildebeests, I'd think a single strand of electric polywire would do the job. Equines are very sensitive to electricity and Jack's learn fast. Also, by erecting the fence, making her concerns known to both the Jack owner and the law enforcement then she would have a good paper trail and proof that she tried other alternatives when and if she has to shoot the Jack. FWIW, polywire is useless on wildebeests and cape buffalo for that matter.

 

[VanC]

Jeez, TB, that guy was a lot more understanding than I would have been. Somebody comes on my property and shoots my dog on my front porch and I'm likely to come out firing. Especially if any member of my family is home. Even here in Illinois the law would be on my side.

Well it was either that or he was going to pay me about $12,000 for the cows. I'm sure the law was on his side too but guess he realized that ol' rover was living two different lifestyles and he didn't like the killer side either. Now Van you know that running out into gunfire ain't real smart. YOU could get hurt. ;-)

You think walking up to someone's house unannounced and discharging a weapon is smart? If it were my dog have the courtesy to knock on my door and explain the situation. I'd probably shoot the dam thing myself AND pay for the damanges. I'm not a rich man, so it might take awhile, but you'd get your money. I'm usually pretty easygoing but there are some things I won't tolerate, and someone firing a weapon anywhere near my house without my permission would definitely send me into a frenzy. I don't mean to sound threatening, TB, but that would really set me off.