Bothersome neighbor animal

[Pawandhoof]

Hi,

I thought i'd ask a question concerning a friend. She is a widow of a good friend, and therefore, a good and loved friend. She moved up to a property up near Wyoming's border area and has since moving there been having issue with the neighbors roaming animal. She has on several occasions contacted this individual in person with no result. He's response has been 'its their nature' there doing their job and dont know any better.'

This has progressively gotten worse. The animal has become a threat! Already she has lost several chickens to this brute and has more recently had her pigmy and dogs attacked by this critter. Help and advise requested.

I have made a recommendation to her already, and but I thought I'd ask help here.

She allow's her dogs to roam her property but don't go much beyond a small hill (well trained), and let's the chickens out when the dogs are out. She had an issue with a coyote but that seems to have gone away (she thinks one of her better aiming neighbors dealt with that) so its just this one stupid critter. Her dogs are kept mostly for breeding and she sells the pups. Good stock, gorgous too. She had one of the bitches that was pretty messed up by this animal and shes really getting fed up here. She has a small fence in the rear but mostly, as alot of rural area's, its unfenced. She doesnt have the necessary means to really assemble a fence for her three acres. Her 3 dogs and animals are not the issue: Its the neighbor.

*the annoyed friend* :devil2:

Apologies if this is not the location for this inquiry.

 

[cowwrangler]

shoot
schovel
shut up

 

[M5farm]

Hi,

I thought i'd ask a question concerning a friend. She is a widow of a good friend, and therefore, a good and loved friend. She moved up to a property up near Wyoming's border area and has since moving there been having issue with the neighbors roaming animal. She has on several occasions contacted this individual in person with no result. He's response has been 'its their nature' there doing their job and dont know any better.'

This has progressively gotten worse. The animal has become a threat! Already she has lost several chickens to this brute and has more recently had her pigmy and dogs attacked by this critter. Help and advise requested.

I have made a recommendation to her already, and but I thought I'd ask help here.

She allow's her dogs to roam her property but don't go much beyond a small hill (well trained), and let's the chickens out when the dogs are out. She had an issue with a coyote but that seems to have gone away (she thinks one of her better aiming neighbors dealt with that) so its just this one stupid critter. Her dogs are kept mostly for breeding and she sells the pups. Good stock, gorgous too. She had one of the bitches that was pretty messed up by this animal and shes really getting fed up here. She has a small fence in the rear but mostly, as alot of rural area's, its unfenced. She doesnt have the necessary means to really assemble a fence for her three acres. Her 3 dogs and animals are not the issue: Its the neighbor.

*the annoyed friend* :devil2:

Apologies if this is not the location for this inquiry.

What is this animal a chupacabras???

 

[TennesseeTuxedo]

I tend to agree with cowwrangler but I must ask, what kind of "animal" are we talking about here?

 

[Crazy Farmgirl]

I gave the nieghbors one polite conversation to kindly keep their "animal" on their property and advise that I have no quams about shooting it if it's around again. I shoot on sight after that!

 

[hopalong]

S
S
S

Appears this person has no concern about the welfare of his/her animal so why not?????

 

[Caustic Burno]

Be careful of the advice you give as state laws govern this and some are very strict and can land you in the crossbar hotel. Shooting an animal that is classified as livestock in Texas you are going to jail and are going to pay for the animal, if the owner files on you. A dog is fair game under the law.
Need to know your laws .

 

[Jogeephus]

That's why I got rid of my wildebeest. You just can't keep those critters in the yard and man did they hate the neighbors dogs just like in this case. They must think they are hyenas or jackals or something. We are talking about wildebeests aren't we? Sure sounds like it.

 

[Pawandhoof]

Caustic,

It's a bit sad to say you can just shoot a dog without any real ground. Its one thing to put down a dog that is harrasing livestock but an entirely other to just remove the critter if it poses no issue. Feral dogs is a whole other thing. I suppose that is why you all practice the SSS so devotely.

Just to clarify, this is a jack. its a attack donkey. This critter has roamed numerous times and done damage not to just my dear friend and her animals but apparently to others. This is not open range and it is not BLM land either. This is property that has clear borders and it is the owners responsiblity to contain his animal. There was one episode she brought up of it nearly being struck by a truck while chasing something....Sad it wasn't. Than the insurance company woulda sued the idiot rancher.

Anyway, I agree: If an animal is threatening your livestock, shot it. Otherwise why bother it? I'd have no issue with this guy's critters if he'd contain them or they were doing no harm.....OR more importently, they were not coming onto her property and doing damage to her property. I am aware of laws that unfairly shelter idiot ranchers but there are ways to work around it.

I will not stand by and allow this idiot to ruin her life. She lift the city after my friend, her husband, passed on. She hated the city and had two of her dogs poisoned before, likely by the neighbors. Whats infuriating is these dogs come from a solid line, good temperment and just overall very good dogs. I have one of her pups and I can say she is very well behaved and tolerant. She moved to the rural county overally expecting a higher set of ethics and morality.....despite my advise.

I will not tolerate this continuing. and trust me, a long walk on a cold night with a good wind? very little evidence. This wouldnt be an issue if he was a decent rancher, but he clearly is not. So he will pay the price for his stupidity eventually....Not saying who or what or when. Just saying at some point something bad is likely gonna happen to that critter and it's his own fault.

Thank you all for the advise, sometimes the SS is the only real solution A pity honestly.

 

[Pawandhoof]

That's why I got rid of my wildebeest. You just can't keep those critters in the yard and man did they hate the neighbors dogs just like in this case. They must think they are hyenas or jackals or something. We are talking about wildebeests aren't we? Sure sounds like it.

I was not even aware those could be owned and roam at large in the North American continent? That is interesting! Ive never had that meat before, I wonder what it's like? Would imagine it not being a major food source locally it likely is pricey.

Yes I could see how it'd confuse the dogs with Hyenas and jackals. I did some research on Hyenas before, they are not dogs actually.

But have a bite far more potent. A very scary creature IMHO

 

[3waycross]

Well after reading this I just have to ask. Exactly what kind of dogs is she raising...............something tells me Pitbulls?

 

[cross_7]

sounds like a real jackass

 

[Pawandhoof]

Well after reading this I just have to ask. Exactly what kind of dogs is she raising...............something tells me Pitbulls?

She has been raising Rottweilers since the early 90's. Originally she became involved with therapy animals on her off time as an RN (thats a medical term for a medical field occupation) and came into possession of two breeding pairs. With the work of a service dog outfit where she lived (believe it was AZ at the time) she began selective breeding for this pair, which were also AKC and hip certified.

Using selective breeding to target temperment primarily she now has a good line. She's been selling the pups at a high value, studs at 1250 and bitches at 900. She has two females and one stud dog. I know you bring pit bulls up as a sensationalizing piece, but these are highly well socialised and good tempered dogs. They are horse and stock friendly as she used to have a therapy pony that died of of digestive bloat. I currently have one of her pups and I must admit, its amazing how tolerant she is. My niece and nephew crawl all over her (supervised of course) every time we meet.

She has been working this line for awhile, its a healthy and valuable line. This is not a backyard breeder who just shoves any two dogs together to litter at a sale. She has thoroughly spent time guiding these dogs and they effectively are her life, much the way your cattle are. It's a sad world, she used to have another stud and a breeding female but someone tossed some nasty stuff into the yard one night and she lost both.

She really wanted a more civil more respectful culture, its what made her decide to up and move far from her home here in Lakewood CO into such a far off and low population area.

Now she has a handful of hens, took in a pigmy goat and has her three dogs. That's all she has. I sympathy with her situation not only because I so highly valued her husbands friendship, but because shes invested everything she has lift in her remaining years into what she has now.

I hope that clarifies sir.

 

[Pawandhoof]

sounds like a real jackass

He is, which is why we have an issue to begin with. It's fine if he'd contain his critter. I had a dogs that I knew were issue with other critters..and they were either contained or, in one case sadly, let go.....

Its all about being a responsible, ethical, and intellegent individual. If you know you have an issue with an aggressive animal in your ownership you have more than a moral obligation to contain it. Is that not fair?

Had this been a dog, I doubt any of you would think twice. Frankly, if I had a dog coming after my animals (dogs at present) you better believe I'd do what was necessary to protect them. In this we have similiar idealogies, the only difference is I apply this to virtually every critter that is threatening damage, is in the process of doing damage, or has already done the damage.

Just seems so common sense to me.

 

[TexasBred]

Quite a few years ago 5 dogs in the neighborhood would get together several times a week, trot over to my place and chase holstein heifers until they were totally exhausted, pull them down and then eat only the ear that was sticking up as well as eat out the rear end of the heifers. All died...ended up loosing 6...I caught them at it one day, shot 3 on the spot, got in the truck, drove around to a county dirt road and the other two crossed the road...got one more there....recognized the last one and knew who he belonged to. They actually were all pets until they got into a pack. Later in the afternoon I drove down to the house of the owner of the last dog and blew the SOB off the front steps with a load of buckshot. They owner was about ready to kick my rear until I told him what was going on and then he understood completely. Shoot the SOB and dump him on the neighbor's front porch.You may have to kick his a$$ but if he's any man at all he'll thank you.

 

[Pawandhoof]

Quite a few years ago 5 dogs in the neighborhood would get together several times a week, trot over to my place and chase holstein heifers until they were totally exhausted, pull them down and then eat only the ear that was sticking up as well as eat out the rear end of the heifers. All died...ended up loosing 6...I caught them at it one day, shot 3 on the spot, got in the truck, drove around to a county dirt road and the other two crossed the road...got one more there....recognized the last one and knew who he belonged to. They actually were all pets until they got into a pack. Later in the afternoon I drove down to the house of the owner of the last dog and blew the SOB off the front steps with a load of buckshot. They owner was about ready to kick my rear until I told him what was going on and then he understood completely. Shoot the SOB and dump him on the neighbor's front porch.You may have to kick his a$$ but if he's any man at all he'll thank you.

Texasbred,

This is not about her dogs. Her dogs are not stock unfriendly, they do not roam, they do not leave beyond 20 yards from her side. This are well trained and highly tempermental dogs. This is not about putting these dogs down, nor killing any other dog (unless it becomes a threat). This is about killing this jack and dealing solely with this jack.

If you had a jack that was causing issue I trust a man like you would also deal with it appropriately. It's to bad that the dogs did this, and you acted out appropriately. If you were merely shooting them for just being around or crossing your property, I'd seriously question your ethics and the origins of your values. A man makes his choices, but be thoughtful and ethical in those choices.

I appreciate your input, regardless of how off topic it was. I am referring merely to a very dangerous jack, an attack donkey, and not a dog. This is not the topic for the dog topic unless your using it for comparison....So if you are, are you saying you'd blow away this jack SOB?

I'm glad it did not escalate and you were able to calm things down! In California if you had done that in Gangland you'd be dead. Im not saying that to be impressive but I've seen several men and several women blown d**n near in half when they crossed the wrong illegals and came up on them wrong. Have to say if you'd done that to my dog I'd likely have acted with the gun first and explainations second, I only would see a man invading my home uninvited armed and discharging a firearm on my property. You aught to have told him what was going on and put less risk on yourself, chances are he'd of done it himself (I know I would have if I'd been shown proof).

Thank you Sir.

 

[I luv herfrds]

First off have her contact her local sheriff's department the next time this jack comes on her property.
Her land is fenced correct?
Second contact the Wyoming Board of Livestock and talk to them about what to do. They might have suggestions.
Last option is a pistol loaded with 2 rounds of bird shot and the rest in hollow points. 2 chances then it is over. Especially if this jack is coming after her.
Document document document.
Get pictures of in on her property. Video works well too.

Had a bull that was left out here by it's owners because they couldn't catch the dang thing. Chased a neighbor up on his porch. He had called our brand inspector who talked to the owners who promised to get the bull. Well after the bull chased him he called me,
I called the sheriff and asked permission to shoot the bull if I have to go treat someone who was injuried by this bull. (I am an EMT and at that time 6 months pregnant.)
Got in a screaming match with the brand inspector over, but the next day the bull was gone

 

[Pawandhoof]

That is a very intellegent post, ty i will pass that along.

Ty ILH!

 

[Caustic Burno]

This comes off as one of these bait and trap post that pop up from time to time

This is Texas Law and the reason I say make sure you know the law in your state.

Sec. 143.033. INJURY TO TRESPASSING ANIMAL. If a person whose fence is insufficient under this subchapter maims, wounds, or kills a head of cattle or a horse, mule, jack, or jennet, or procures the maiming, wounding, or killing of one of those animals, by any means, including a gun or a dog, the person is liable to the owner of the animal for damages. This section does not authorize a person to maim, wound, or kill any horse, mule, jack, jennet, or head of cattle of another person.

Dog is a different story under state law here and you are provided liabilty protection.

Jacks can be real mean that is a fact, again need to talk to your local Cattle Association about livestock laws.
Going off half cocked can get real costly real quick.
There are three sides to every story and we are only hearing one.
Each neighbor has one and you can bet the truth is in the middle.

 

[dieselbeef]

This comes off as one of these bait and trap post that pop up from time to time

that and the 5 pm's i got :deadhorse: