I was reading through the breeds part of this web site and thought. Why is it that people have no problem calling Hays Converters, Beefmasters, BueLingo, Droughtmaster ect. a breed but get hot under the collar when someone says they now have a new breed the Black Hereford. What makes it O.K. for one man to develope a new breed and not another?
Black Herefords
- Thread starter S.R.R.
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Jake
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all the others you stated are crosses of multiple breeds to enhance the parent breeds and to create a better animal. Not solely to change the color of a prominant breed.
cypressfarms
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Black herefords again...... 
Mahoney Pursley Ranch
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Wonder how them Angus boys would feel if someone came up with a White Angus as a new breed. :lol:
I understand what you are saying but! As many of the pro black cattle persons will have to agree changing to "black" is enhancing the parent breed. If in know other way then the price at many sale barns.Jake":28kes69l said:
Jake
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S.R.R.":1mcyqx1n said:
no this breed's sole purpose is to be black, not be black and keep the quality...
You have not seen any black herefords. They don't exist. There is a X between Angus and Herefords known as Black White Face or Black Baldies but no black herefords. That's just someones fantasy.S.R.R.":zzyr9m5y said:
So you are saying I did not see Beefmasters at the Beefmaster sale I went to. Just a bunch of Hereford, Shorthorn and Brahman cross cattle. See my ?. Why is one mans cross a breed and anothers just a cross?la4angus":2sz1a0a7 said:
S.R.R.":1oek3wcj said:
It's semantics. If they called them Colorado black and whites there woudln;t be the animosity towards them. The use of Hereford in the name is what gets peoples goat.
A composit breed, also called American breeds are a genetically stable breed that when bred to each other reproduces the same type as the parent breed.
dun
S.R.R.,This is my opinion, so take it for that. I am not a herf breeder. Nobody would have cared what Gage or whoever was up to as far as crossbreeding or even calling that cross by some name to try to make it into a new "breed". Where the problem with what they did comes in is that they used the name of a popular breed that already existed to get more attention. Making breeding selections so that a cross breeds true for the black hide and hereford markings does not make them Herefords or anything else but a cross. They tried to get the AHA to register the animals for them and the AHA said no thanks. So, instead of accepting that and going their own way, they still used the name anyway. If the cattle were that good, why did they feel they had to infringe on an already successful breed? Seems a little dishonest.S.R.R.":2xl3hkye said:
You are correct. Beefmaster is a registered cross of brahman, shorthorn and hereford. When you introduce the angus into the cross yu no longer have beef master. You have a mongrel.S.R.R.":3gn2njit said:
Jake
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jcarkie":e05jd5ad said:
not like red angus, they've always been red. Yes your right about holsteins but extremely wrong about the angus.
la4angus":29ybhbes said:
Beefmaster is a linebred and improved creation of the Lassiters and other breeders. While it may originally have been a composite of Brahman, Shorthorn, and Hereford it is more than that today. I could take the three parent breeds and mix them; but what I came up with would not necessarily be a beefmaster. I don't have any problem with the concept behind Black Herefords; but to date I have not seen the committment from the breeders to IMPROVE the breed and create a superior Angus:Hereford composite. Creating a breed is more than fixing a color combo.
