Beef Animal Selection 101

[purecountry]

Rip something if you like, but I'll do it for you. The first bull is a Tarentaise herd sire from Ankenman Tarentaise in Oklahoma. Long bodied, deep bodied, masculine like a bull should be, ample muscle, strong top, wide muzzle but not a fat head. Just a D@mn good bull, period. The only problem is you can't see his feet. It's a picture, tough bananas.

This is one of rkaiser's Black Welsh Herd bulls. Super deep, super thick, lots of meat, good feet and legs, could be stretched out a bit, but he's so deep and thick it makes him look short coupled.

So, without the use of video or 'In-Field' tutorials, this concludes our class for today on how to pick a GOOD herd bull. Those of you from the South whom require Hot-temperature Brahman etc, etc influenced animals, may select something different as you wish or need, it's understood. For those of you in the mainstream, these are two fine examples of top-quality herd sires. If you want to improve your herd, select bulls that will improve, meaning they must be superior to WHAT YOU ALREADY HAVE.

More classes and pics to come, now that I've passed Posting Pics for Dumm@$$e$.

 

[lakading]

How old is the black one?

 

[Beefy]

great, next time post some pics of some breeds that significantly impact the beef industry. thanks.

 

[lakading]

 

[DOC HARRIS]

Rip something if you like, but I'll do it for you. The first bull is a Tarentaise herd sire from Ankenman Tarentaise in Oklahoma. Long bodied, deep bodied, masculine like a bull should be, ample muscle, strong top, wide muzzle but not a fat head. Just a D@mn good bull, period. The only problem is you can't see his feet. It's a picture, tough bananas.

This is one of rkaiser's Black Welsh Herd bulls. Super deep, super thick, lots of meat, good feet and legs, could be stretched out a bit, but he's so deep and thick it makes him look short coupled.

So, without the use of video or 'In-Field' tutorials, this concludes our class for today on how to pick a GOOD herd bull. Those of you from the South whom require Hot-temperature Brahman etc, etc influenced animals, may select something different as you wish or need, it's understood. For those of you in the mainstream, these are two fine examples of top-quality herd sires. If you want to improve your herd, select bulls that will improve, meaning they must be superior to WHAT YOU ALREADY HAVE.

More classes and pics to come, now that I've passed Posting Pics for Dumm@$$e$.

 

[purecountry]

great, next time post some pics of some breeds that significantly impact the beef industry. thanks.

Beefy, I didn't post the @*^% to show off a breed, and if you actually think the BEEF industry is only impacted by the 4 or 5 MAIN breeds, you're just walkin around with blinders on. I used these two pics because they're just 2 damn good bulls, regardless of color or breed. And I already had them on my computer. If I can find a pic of a good Simmi bull - like Jeanne's, or an Angus, I'll post them too.

I also am not posting them to tell everyone this is a good bull just because of an eye-appealing show ring phenotype. Actually, these 2 don't really have that. These bulls are good, because they have the traits that all go towards profitability, depth, thickness, flesh, balls, etc., etc. When you put all those traits together in proper proportion, phyiscally, you end up with an animal that not only looks good, but is PROFITABLE.

To say they're not good because they're not your flavor, makes no sense to me. If they were both straight red or black and I had said they were Angus, would you have replied differently? Think it through.

 

[purecountry]

lakading, the black welsh is just about 2. I just bought a Galloway from Randy that looks just like him. I like the depth on your bull, what's his story?

Doc, glad you liked them.

 

[Beefy]

i never said they werent good bulls. what i said was those breeds dont significantly impact beef production at this point in time. they may some day, but i doubt it. they do impact the beef industry but not significantly.

sounds like you got a little angus envy going on and i'm not even an angus man.

 

[lakading]

lakading, the black welsh is just about 2. I just bought a Galloway from Randy that looks just like him. I like the depth on your bull, what's his story?

Coming 5 year old registered Angus. Sire is GDA Universe 726G and MGS is EXT. Nothing special, just a herd bull that is doing us some good. I happened to get a decent picture, so I thought I'd share it.

I know nothing about welsh. Are they a smaller framed breed?

 

[Beefy]

for the record i do believe the beef industry would be jsut fine with only:

angus and red angus, herefords and polled herfs, shorthorns, brahmans, brangus, tigerstripes, beefmasters, charolais, and simmentals. to each his own.

 

[Beefy]

lakading, your bull looks like he actually works for a living.

 

[lakading]

Thx. He's been on heifers most of his career. We bred some mature cows to him this past year (due in March). I'm excited get em on the ground.

 

[purecountry]

Beefy, that's for another post or thread, not this one.

 

[Beefy]

yes, teacher. :dunce: sorry for speaking my mind. oh wait, no i'm not..

 

[purecountry]

Here's a 9 yr old Angus X Tarentaise cow. Deep, fleshy, great udder. She's one of my favorites, Maggie.

Probably the most efficient cow in our herd, Mouse. Named so because she weighs 1050 lbs., but she's weaned 50-60% of her own weight every year. She's coming 7, Angus X Milking Shorthorn. Always stays in good flesh, could stand up a little better in the tailhead, and she's slick-haired - insert Galloway bull here.

This is Pumpkin 74K, coming 7. Angus X Tarentaise. Deep bodied, always fat, raises a good calf, but her udder is a bit disappointing. Back 2 quarters hang low - goat style - not real tight and neat.

 

[purecountry]

Hey Doc, here's the cow pics.

 

[DOC HARRIS]

Hey Doc, here's the cow pics.

Check my PM to you today, pc. Good cows!

DOC HARRIS

 

[Aero]

Here's a 9 yr old Angus X Tarentaise cow. Deep, fleshy, great udder. She's one of my favorites, Maggie.

thanks for putting up some Angus-Tarentaise cross cows. where did you get those (cows)?

 

[purecountry]

A few years back I sold a Black Angus bull to a Tarentaise breeder. He had a commercial herd going, using BA bulls on Tar. cows. I'd never seen Tarentaise cattle before, and when I delivered the bull, we went for a drive and looked at the purebreds and commercials. Out of 100 and some odd cows I saw that day, the only thing with a bad udder was their Holstein cross milk cow. Beautiful tight udders, perfect feet, super cows. I had to have 'em, so I made them an offer to buy some heifer calves. They wouldn't sell the purebreds, but wanted me to take ALL of the commercial heifers, not my pick.

At the time, my pockets weren't real deep, so my Dad went in on it with me. We took every heifer calf from the commercial cows, all of which were sired by BA bulls. We kept them through the winter and cut it down to a group of 25 come spring. 8 years later, that group is the core of my commercial herd. The rest of it is daughters from those cows, and some Angus X Shorthorn brockles.

 

[aplusmnt]

I do not know anything about Tarentaise cattle but we live about 20 miles from the Ankenman Tarentaise Ranch in Miami OK. They have a nice operation and some nice looking cattle in the pastures.

What is the pros of Tarantaise cattle? I have never really saw any more around here just their big operation.