Bad luck keeps on coming

[Down in Dixie]

Regardless of the outcome I have finally gotten a @gizmom angus bull I have been drooling about. Can’t say enough about the Gilmore’s.

 

[gizmom]

View attachment 44373Regardless of the outcome I have finally gotten a @gizmom angus bull I have been drooling about. Can't say enough about the Gilmore's.

It was great meeting y’all I can’t wait to hear how his calves turn out.

 

[Down in Dixie]

So the neighbors bull is back. Chased him around for about an hour before I could get him caught in my pen. He went thru two fences this time. When I contact the owner should I suggest hauling it to the sale barn for him or talk hard about other fencing options. He just has a small 30 acre hobby farm with about 8 cows. Really nice guy but I’m tired of fixing fences. My old bull has gone thru his fence also before so it’s gone both ways but the loss of my last bull still has a bad taste in my mouth. I haven’t told him about my bull yet but guess today is the day. Any suggestions on how I should handle this?

 

[farmerjan]

One big question; don't know if you addressed this before...are you in a fence in or a fence out state or county? That might make a difference on how to handle it...
And for pete's sake, don't turn that bull out until you make sure if you have insurance on your new bull, if it includes getting hurt by a neighbor's bull that goes through fences and hurts him...

 

[Travlr]

Just to put it out there... Fencing issues are handled so differently in different states that it's kind of strange, IMO. In SD we had a rule that any fence was the responsibility of the person... from the mid point and to the right. So the person across the fence was responsible for the fence, mid point and to the left... as that would be to the right to them.

 

[Travlr]

So the neighbors bull is back. Chased him around for about an hour before I could get him caught in my pen. He went thru two fences this time. When I contact the owner should I suggest hauling it to the sale barn for him or talk hard about other fencing options. He just has a small 30 acre hobby farm with about 8 cows. Really nice guy but I'm tired of fixing fences. My old bull has gone thru his fence also before so it's gone both ways but the loss of my last bull still has a bad taste in my mouth. I haven't told him about my bull yet but guess today is the day. Any suggestions on how I should handle this?

I'd tell him about your bull... complete with pics. Personally I'd have invited him over to look at the dead bull. And then I'd keep my mouth shut and see what he has to say.

 

[Down in Dixie]

Well I had him locked up in my barn. Had a gate held shut with some baling twine but he broke out of there into a pen with some feeders. I had some hay to get up so left him be in there. He tore up a net wire fence and is now back on the neighbors property. Just put that fence up a month ago also. Going to have a nice conversation with him tomorrow and politely tell him if he tears up another fence and makes it to my place again I will haul him to the sale barn for him. Once a bull his size realizes a fence is only a small hindrance there is no stopping him. 6 wire fence or a net wire fence ain’t enough.

 

[farmerjan]

Just to put it out there... Fencing issues are handled so differently in different states that it's kind of strange, IMO. In SD we had a rule that any fence was the responsibility of the person... from the mid point and to the right. So the person across the fence was responsible for the fence, mid point and to the left... as that would be to the right to them.

Basically the same here... 1/2 the fence with it being the "right side" on each owner's side...if it is a fence that is in use by both landowners for livestock... If a person does not want to have livestock against the fence... the other owner has to build it/maintain it... BUT.... the other landowner CAN NOT put anything against it down the road for something like 20 YEARS... or they are responsible for half the cost that the other person put into it....

But we are a state with fence in and fence out laws in different counties....

Gets very complicated....

 

[MurraysMutts]

You should have enough evidence right now to get the sheriff involved.

That bull HAS GOT TO GO!!!

Or...... as was suggested on another thread. Buy the bull. Right after ya hand the man the cash, put a bullet in the bull. While the s.o.b is watching

Honestly. At this point. It's cheaper to buy him. Sell him and take a loss on him. It's beyond ridiculous

 

[CowboyRam]

So the neighbors bull is back. Chased him around for about an hour before I could get him caught in my pen. He went thru two fences this time. When I contact the owner should I suggest hauling it to the sale barn for him or talk hard about other fencing options. He just has a small 30 acre hobby farm with about 8 cows. Really nice guy but I'm tired of fixing fences. My old bull has gone thru his fence also before so it's gone both ways but the loss of my last bull still has a bad taste in my mouth. I haven't told him about my bull yet but guess today is the day. Any suggestions on how I should handle this?

Is that bull all by himself?

 

[Brute 23]

Just reading online, Alabama is a fence in state amd it sound like you have a good case for damages.

Since it has been brought up about fence in vs fence out, it does not appear that just because your state is fence out you have no liability. If the fence that is being used to fence out meets the guidelines of the state and the animal goes through any ways, it sounds like you can be held liable for damages.

 

[Down in Dixie]

Is that bull all by himself?

He is with about 8 cows

 

[Down in Dixie]

The bull stayed where he was supposed to for a little bit but has developed a bad habit of jumping fences. Me and the neighbor got him loaded up and dropped him off at the sale. We talked and he asked about possibly leasing my bull to him to breed his cows. I like this idea since we won’t have to worry about bulls fighting and crossing the fence any more. What would be a good deal to pen up 8-10 cows with my bull for 30-45 days? Only thing is I calve year round and this young bull is covering about 30 cows already. I know I’m at the max for one bull but would I be working him to hard to have him breed an extra 10 cows?

 

[MurraysMutts]

The bull stayed where he was supposed to for a little bit but has developed a bad habit of jumping fences. Me and the neighbor got him loaded up and dropped him off at the sale. We talked and he asked about possibly leasing my bull to him to breed his cows. I like this idea since we won't have to worry about bulls fighting and crossing the fence any more. What would be a good deal to pen up 8-10 cows with my bull for 30-45 days? Only thing is I calve year round and this young bull is covering about 30 cows already. I know I'm at the max for one bull but would I be working him to hard to have him breed an extra 10 cows?

Be a good time to shorten your calving window.

Hell, if he will feed the bull, I'd let him use him for free!! For 3 months.

Totally worth not having some junk bull causing a ruckus all the dang time!

Glad ya'll come together on the ordeal...

 

[who cares]

Do you run your bull with your herd year round and have a long calving window because of fertility issues with cows? It because they are all calving throughout year and that means 60-90 day breed back is year round? Is it so you don't have to separate him?
If the bull catches all your cows in the first 30 to 60 days, ( in other words you have him breeding 30 cows in 2 months) then adding more might be a push on him at his age. I don't "pull my bull", till May when I calve and put him out August 1st. But I preg check everything 2 months later and cull opens so it is like pulling my bull but he's happier living with the herd and I don't have to feed hay.
If you only have 30 cows calving year round spread out, and that works out to 2- 3 a month, that's nothing for a bull and doing 8 to 10 in a month is easy. If he doesn't have to chase them all over the planet he can do more also.
I'm sorry you didn't get a payout. Details kill you when it comes to claims (give as few as possible) and our vet always tries hard to determine lightning and storms .
We've never had any insurance require iding animals and they just have the number of cows, calves and bulls covered in the farm policy.

 

[Down in Dixie]

Do you run your bull with your herd year round and have a long calving window because of fertility issues with cows? It because they are all calving throughout year and that means 60-90 day breed back is year round? Is it so you don't have to separate him?
If the bull catches all your cows in the first 30 to 60 days, ( in other words you have him breeding 30 cows in 2 months) then adding more might be a push on him at his age. I don't "pull my bull", till May when I calve and put him out August 1st. But I preg check everything 2 months later and cull opens so it is like pulling my bull but he's happier living with the herd and I don't have to feed hay.
If you only have 30 cows calving year round spread out, and that works out to 2- 3 a month, that's nothing for a bull and doing 8 to 10 in a month is easy. If he doesn't have to chase them all over the planet he can do more also.
I'm sorry you didn't get a payout. Details kill you when it comes to claims (give as few as possible) and our vet always tries hard to determine lightning and storms .
We've never had any insurance require iding animals and they just have the number of cows, calves and bulls covered in the farm policy.

Yes I just leave the bull in year round and calve thru out the year. If I did do it I would probably put his cows in a 2 acre lot with the bull on my place. He usually only get to go check the cows once or twice a week. I would rather have everyone where I can watch and keep track of them.

 

[Down in Dixie]

Be a good time to shorten your calving window.

Hell, if he will feed the bull, I'd let him use him for free!! For 3 months.

Totally worth not having some junk bull causing a ruckus all the dang time!

Glad ya'll come together on the ordeal...

I was never concerned with a calving window when I first started but as time goes on I am liking the idea more of doing that. This may be a good time to start setting that up and at least he will have something to keep him occupied while he is off my cows.

 

[coachg]

Just a suggestion, if you’ve got to rebuild part of that fence put a gate up between you and the neighbor. Make it sturdy ! You can let your bull go between the 2 herds and if an animal gets through you can get them back in the right owners pasture easier . It has worked for us .

 

[Down in Dixie]

Just a suggestion, if you've got to rebuild part of that fence put a gate up between you and the neighbor. Make it sturdy ! You can let your bull go between the 2 herds and if an animal gets through you can get them back in the right owners pasture easier . It has worked for us .

We talked about that also. He doesn’t have a tractor and I offered to help clip his pastures and put hay out for him but a gate would need to be put in. To get to his place by road is a 20 minute drive. A gate would be priceless I think for any thing that comes up in the future.

 

[farmerjan]

There is nothing as valuable as a gate where it will save time and trouble to get from one point to another... whether it is for cattle, or tractors or whatever. Make it a respectable 16 ft gate so most any normal equipment can go through it.
If there was a gate, and you rented/leased him the bull, it would be easier for you to be able to go check on then regularly there... and not have his animals eating your grass...
Getting through a gate in times of an emergency is priceless.