Bad feet Scott angus cattle

[cattletalk]

In case you haven't zoomed in on Scott Angus Cattle's recent pic of 4-5 month old calves. Holy ****. Do your research

 

[M.Magis]

Not gonna lie, this is one of the more classless things I've seen posted online.

 

[cattletalk]

Not gonna lie, this is one of the more classless things I've seen posted online.

You really looked at that and found me in the wrong not the person pawning that off as seedstock? This is why I hate this industry. People like you that can't stand saying anything honest. It's always gotta be sugarcoated

 

[chevytaHOE5674]

This is why I hate this industry.

Then leave it and find another industry....

Is someone forcing you to use them for your seedstock?

 

[cattletalk]

Then leave it and find another industry....

Is someone forcing you to use them for your seedstock?

The support of bad cattle from you and the other poster is what's disgusting

 

[Ky hills]

I don't think people have an issue with discussing bad feet.
I believe the name dropping of a breeder is where the exception is being taken.

 

[gcreekrch]

It has been discussed at our sale barn that all seed stock producers should be required to brand their cattle so people know where the bad footed culls going to the plant come from.

 

[chevytaHOE5674]

The support of bad cattle from you and the other poster is what's disgusting

Where did I support anybodys cattle? I've never heard of "Scott cattle" and probably never will. You said you "hate this industry" so I think maybe you should move along.

It's a free country and every cattle producer has a choice on breed, color, feet, fertility, etc. If someone wants to sell seed stock and they aren't up to your specs then look elsewhere. To someone with even worse cattle those feet maybe 100x better and in their budget.

 

[chevytaHOE5674]

The support of bad cattle from you and the other poster is what's disgusting.

I looked thru all of your posts all pretty much are bad mouthing someone else's bulls, bad feed, ugly heads, bad sheaths, scrotal measurement.

Why don't you take a second and post up some pictures of your picture perfect herd of cows and bulls, so that the rest of us can learn how it's done?

 

[Travlr]

I don't think people have an issue with discussing bad feet.
I believe the name dropping of a breeder is where the exception is being taken.

I looked thru all of your posts all pretty much are bad mouthing someone else's bulls, bad feed, ugly heads, bad sheaths, scrotal measurement.

Maybe I don't see the problem. If some outfit fancies themselves to be high quality seedstock producers and they advertise with images of their product, and we can see they have some issues with the product they produce... don't we all have not just the right but the obligation to point it out? Aren't we all here to learn and save each other from the mistakes that are inherent to the industry? And if there are problems with people calling out a breeder by name, or calling each other out for not calling out the issues, or have a gripe about the industry or practices or cattle... isn't that what we are here for?
Sling your hash and let's talk about it.

 

[chevytaHOE5674]

I just find it funny when people come along and judge others cattle when they never post pictures of others to judge thereown.

For all we know the OP raises 3 toed corriente cattle with 10cm scrotals and sheeths the size of Rhode island.

 

[Ky hills]

Maybe I don't see the problem. If some outfit fancies themselves to be high quality seedstock producers and they advertise with images of their product, and we can see they have some issues with the product they produce... don't we all have not just the right but the obligation to point it out? Aren't we all here to learn and save each other from the mistakes that are inherent to the industry? And if there are problems with people calling out a breeder by name, or calling each other out for not calling out the issues, or have a gripe about the industry or practices or cattle... isn't that what we are here for?
Sling your hash and let's talk about it.

I have mixed emotions about it, but tend to not want to publicly name names.
@chevytaHOE5674 said it pretty well, there's different degrees of quality and something might be an improvement for somebody within their budget.
You're never going to find a perfect animal. Even the very best of bulls or cows can be faulted to some degree in one or more areas.
I've been very critical of modern cattle breeding trends for quite some time. It transcends both breeds, breeders,
My suggestion is for people to be as knowledgeable about selection in all areas as they can and to try to select animals that meet their goals and criteria in as many areas as possible.
I don't know anything at all about the outfit that was named, never heard of them. No idea what they have, numbers or quality, but if they have several cattle then there's likely a range of genetics and quality in the herd,
Most registered breeders today use a sampling of several AI bulls, That sampling can be pretty similar for breeders across the country.

 

[chevytaHOE5674]

For a commercial cow/calf guy who has a whole herd of "back pasture" cattle that raise great market animals, do feet really matter that much?

In all the steers and butcher heifers I've sold thru the years I can never remember anybody at the sale barn mentioning the feet.

 

[chevytaHOE5674]

10ish years ago I was at capacity for acreage with a young herd with no need for replacements. I bought a reg simmental bull with way worse feet than the ones pictured from a known breeder. I didn't care about the feet, all I cared about was his superb growth because by the time the feet became an issue they would already be on somebody's grill at 4th of July. Sold a lot of lbs those years and never heard the feedlot or salebarn mention feet once.

 

[wbvs58]

In case you haven't zoomed in on Scott Angus Cattle's recent pic of 4-5 month old calves. Holy ****. Do your research

You don't say where you come from but when I googled Scott's Angus seems to be from Australia so I suspect you are from Australia as well and it seems you have a gripe with Scott's Angus and have decided to bad mouth them world wide. I suppose you have been on FB, Twitter and other forums as well spreading the word of your opinion on a heavily zoomed in photo of what was probably a group of nice calves. Did you buy a bull from these people and were dissatisfied? If you did you must have thought the bull met your criteria to start with.
I do have an issue with people bad mouthing on social media especially when it is based on their opinion and poor photos so PEE OFF.

Ken

 

[Travlr]

10ish years ago I was at capacity for acreage with a young herd with no need for replacements. I bought a reg simmental bull with way worse feet than the ones pictured from a known breeder. I didn't care about the feet, all I cared about was his superb growth because by the time the feet became an issue they would already be on somebody's grill at 4th of July. Sold a lot of lbs those years and never heard the feedlot or salebarn mention feet once.

I thought we were talking "seedstock". Like you say, feedlot age animals aren't the problem but had you been calling your animals seedstock and people bought them for replacements they might have placed a higher priority on their feet.
Glad your bull worked for you, but buying a bull with bad feet is a risk.

 

[chevytaHOE5674]

Buying any animal is a risk. Everybody needs to figure out what is acceptable. That bad footed bull bred for 5 seasons before he went down the road long criss-crossed back toes and all, because I expanded and now needed more quality replacements not because I was concerned about his feet.

Frankly what I see in that zoomed in blown picture isnt textbook perfect, but from what little I can see between the potatoe quality pixels I don't see anything that wouldn't allow a bull or heifer to produce for a fella.

 

[Travlr]

Buying any animal is a risk. Everybody needs to figure out what is acceptable. That bad footed bull bred for 5 seasons before he went down the road long criss-crossed back toes and all, because I expanded and now needed more quality replacements not because I was concerned about his feet.

Frankly what I see in that zoomed in blown picture isnt textbook perfect, but from what little I can see between the potatoe quality pixels I don't see anything that wouldn't allow a bull or heifer to produce for a fella.

The thing I worry about is the acceptable genetic criteria for a breeding animal seems to be slipping. We seem to be taking what's available rather than being particular. Never worked for me, but I think it'd a growing trend.

 

[chevytaHOE5674]

It's a big Ole world out there. What passes as acceptable to you is a prize to a another. What's acceptable to you is garbage to someone else.

If those feet offend a potential buyer then they are free to move along.

 

[Travlr]

It's a big Ole world out there. What passes as acceptable to you is a prize to a another. What's acceptable to you is garbage to someone else.

If those feet offend a potential buyer then they are free to move along.

Maybe... and when everybody is breeding cattle that compete with the average Corriente I guess we should all be proud of that.